Michael Posted August 20, 2024 Report Share Posted August 20, 2024 I've been asked for a few different Ultion dimple keys lately and have been turning them away as I'd heard too many stories of not working, jamming locks etc. I was wondering how easy they are to do now and any potential (expensive!!) problems there are? I would be copying using a Silca Matrix SX so would have to buy cutters and tracers as well as blanks, any advice/warnings before I invest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted August 20, 2024 Report Share Posted August 20, 2024 Just get grahamparker to do them for you, less hassle, always fit spot on and next day delivery. exp121260, Bren, Auto Key Wizard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 20, 2024 Report Share Posted August 20, 2024 2 hours ago, Gray said: Just get grahamparker to do them for you, less hassle, always fit spot on and next day delivery. Unfortunately customers always want them now..... yesterday would be too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 20, 2024 Report Share Posted August 20, 2024 RST Mustang is the way forward wellsy9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 28, 2024 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2024 So I'm compiling a shopping list to try and start cutting these, any help much appreciated with right/wrong info I have...... Blanks: Silca BRS3R - All U11,U12,U13,U14 series keys Silca ULT1 - WXM HD X7 - WXM with 7 stamped Silca T4/F4 cutter and tracer for Silca Matrix - to cut WXM and U series????? Anything else I have forgotten or got wrong please advise!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaloid Posted August 28, 2024 Report Share Posted August 28, 2024 This blank will fit the WXM and the new 3* plus key, will sometimes have the 7 on the head but no WXM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 28, 2024 Report Share Posted August 28, 2024 57 minutes ago, Michael said: So I'm compiling a shopping list to try and start cutting these, any help much appreciated with right/wrong info I have...... Blanks: Silca BRS3R - All U11,U12,U13,U14 series keys Silca ULT1 - WXM HD X7 - WXM with 7 stamped Silca T4/F4 cutter and tracer for Silca Matrix - to cut WXM and U series????? Anything else I have forgotten or got wrong please advise!! Genuine blanks only if code starts X21 or higher. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acm2000 Posted August 29, 2024 Report Share Posted August 29, 2024 ive been using JMA TX-22 for ages for for all the old and new WXM including X21 and higher, no issues. i would suggest you keep a lock in stock too tho as they can be sticky the first time they are used, i test every key before handing to the customer and if they dont quite go in just give it a knock then flip and do the same on the other side, work perfectly after that. GLENGRAVING 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 29, 2024 Report Share Posted August 29, 2024 55 minutes ago, acm2000 said: ive been using JMA TX-22 for ages for for all the old and new WXM including X21 and higher, no issues. i would suggest you keep a lock in stock too tho as they can be sticky the first time they are used, i test every key before handing to the customer and if they dont quite go in just give it a knock then flip and do the same on the other side, work perfectly after that. Until 1 jams in the lock and the customer is locked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted August 29, 2024 Report Share Posted August 29, 2024 Probably pull the core out on that rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acm2000 Posted August 29, 2024 Report Share Posted August 29, 2024 oh the locks are utter shite, but never had a single problem over the years and especially with the JMA TX-22 blank which seems to be pretty much identical to OEM, some of the early blanks that came out looked like they were cast from the dregs of "made in china" quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaris Posted September 2, 2024 Report Share Posted September 2, 2024 I've dealt with Ultion dimple keys a few times, and honestly, they can be hit or miss. Some customers reported issues with jamming or not working properly. If you're set on getting a Silca Matrix SX, it’s a good machine, but you'll need to invest in decent cutters and tracers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordan Posted September 2, 2024 Report Share Posted September 2, 2024 Yep I agree here with Megaris I havent's heard good rewies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 2, 2024 Report Share Posted September 2, 2024 Using Genuine blanks we have NEVER had any issues at all. Copies on the U series are perfect. The X series however we have had many customers that have had copies cut elsewhere that either jammed or did not work at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted September 17, 2024 Report Share Posted September 17, 2024 On 8/28/2024 at 12:22 PM, grahamparker said: Genuine blanks only if code starts X21 or higher. Are ou doing these now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 17, 2024 Report Share Posted September 17, 2024 9 hours ago, Bren said: Are ou doing these now? Sent you an email mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted September 18, 2024 Report Share Posted September 18, 2024 14 hours ago, grahamparker said: Sent you an email mate. Can you send me one to please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Davenport Burgess Posted September 18, 2024 Report Share Posted September 18, 2024 If cutting with a manual machine on the WXM try using a 105 cutter instead of 95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almeriasecure Posted September 19, 2024 Report Share Posted September 19, 2024 13 hours ago, Shaun Davenport Burgess said: If cutting with a manual machine on the WXM try using a 105 cutter instead of 95. Thats what we use when not using the Futura and have no issues. Auto Key Wizard and Shaun Davenport Burgess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 19, 2024 Report Share Posted September 19, 2024 45 minutes ago, almeriasecure said: Thats what we use when not using the Futura and have no issues. About time you bought a Triax Pro Keith or the new D600. almeriasecure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted September 19, 2024 Report Share Posted September 19, 2024 2 hours ago, grahamparker said: new D600 I've seen the £34K Silca D700 demo and it's not fit for purpose out of the box Hence the didn't get an order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrkeys Posted September 25, 2024 Report Share Posted September 25, 2024 On 9/19/2024 at 12:57 PM, Auto Key Wizard said: I've seen the £34K Silca D700 demo and it's not fit for purpose out of the box Hence the didn't get an order What was the main gripes you had with it if you don't mind me asking, I was waiting for the D600 to pop up on u.k. distributors websites but no one seems to know the price of them yet - hopefully I can get a demo when they are available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted September 25, 2024 Report Share Posted September 25, 2024 Went to Aldridge Security Demonstration and was not impressed with this D700 Quattrocode at £34,000 + VAT So, I expected it to be able to cut the Yale Superior/Platinum or Magnum (One of the most popular dimples in the UK) straight out of the box, it can't without purchasing the tilting jaw at an extra £4,000 + I was ready to purchase until my technical questions got answered/unanswered and it's restricted capabilities were known Oh and the engraving of the key head requires external input of SKP software to load templates, that Silca couldn't be install as ready to use at the factory Radial Pin Tubular keys requires dedicated jaw at £750 + D600 Quattrocode cost is around £20K + and probably with the same restricted capabilities as D700 I rest my case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted September 26, 2024 Report Share Posted September 26, 2024 12 hours ago, Auto Key Wizard said: Went to Aldridge Security Demonstration and was not impressed with this D700 Quattrocode at £34,000 + VAT So, I expected it to be able to cut the Yale Superior/Platinum or Magnum (One of the most popular dimples in the UK) straight out of the box, it can't without purchasing the tilting jaw at an extra £4,000 + I was ready to purchase until my technical questions got answered/unanswered and it's restricted capabilities were known Oh and the engraving of the key head requires external input of SKP software to load templates, that Silca couldn't be install as ready to use at the factory Radial Pin Tubular keys requires dedicated jaw at £750 + D600 Quattrocode cost is around £20K + and probably with the same restricted capabilities as D700 I rest my case... seems to be the case with all this kind of machine now, Futura needs 'extra jaws' every time I try and cut a new key, needs a new jaw? crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 26, 2024 Report Share Posted September 26, 2024 I will still be buying one but not sure which one yet. Awaiting a demo of the D600 when they arrive in the uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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