urbantek Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Hi, I just had a customer come in with a Timpson UL066. I used a UL050 as I have done before and the customer came back and said it too tight for the lock. I tried it and is very tight and hard to take back out. Could someone please give me a key id on this, Thanks Urbantek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 HD keys fit better in these cylinders. I went on the rampage one day testing on numerous cylinders and universal keys and they are definitely smoother going in. So HD UL1 should do or use the slim keyline universal versions UN5S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Customer never came back. Never really resolved the issue. Should we be using the thins for this, and why don't Silca just label them thins, like keyline and jma do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkybob Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 ul066 according to SKS web sit jma u-7d hd and silca ul062 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbantek Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Thank you all so much for all the replies, I will order some of them and will post the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 The UL066 is what timpson use in place of the HD UL1 i don’t know if it’s extra thin though? Mike at Vauxhall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 https://www.davenport-burgess.com/products/UL2SLM-6-PIN-SLIM-UNIVERSAL-STEEL-NP/P135052 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amlocks Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 Problem right here with so many places just using 'universal' rather than stocking correct blanks or training staff to ID properly or giving a shit. Bet the cylinder is not particularly tight profile just that the UL is not a very close match in shape. Also bet most of these are not rare unusual profiles to start with. So now the next key gets even thinner and weaker and the copy after that even worse. Clearly when you are presented with a universal then nothing to do but use another but always think it is bad practice when I see a place with boards full of keys and most customers walk out with new UL copies. Sorry rant over Mike at Vauxhall, OS Keys and Auto Key Wizard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 This issue has been around for more than a decade! Lazy key cutters that use Universal profile blanks for every job, instead of taking a moment to select the correct blank. Therefore the purists among us have no alternative to do the same (when presented with one to duplicate) unless the lock manufacture is known. Amlocks, ponsaloti and kobblers 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 The main cause of it are those guys on markets and car boot sales. Easier to carry a box of universal than 25 different blanks OS Keys and Amlocks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 While i agree with the comments above it is not always an option to use original blanks as they don't exist. There are more and more chinese import locks and keys than ever before and sometimes the only option is to use a universal. To try and blame lazy key cutters/market stall is not giving the full picture. Last week a customer wanted 20 keys for a no name brass padlock and Silca UL050 was the best fit snug in the plug with little movement. So it isn't always the fault of the cutter. keithm, Amlocks, kobblers and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Totally agree with everything Graham has written. We get so many keys in with no name or with a name that can't be sourced that we have no option but to use a universal. Would you say the same about using Mortice or Rim blanks for keys that don't have a specific blank? Purists? Rick. St.Am92 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 I'm no Purist but i am a Professional key cutter with the best equipment money can buy. kobblers and Amlocks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Me, neither - I just try to do the best I can in the most professional way with what my 32 year knowledge and my modern equipment will allow me to. Anything else, I count on you great fellas/ladies for. Rick. Amlocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 On 6/25/2019 at 8:48 AM, Auto Key Wizard said: Therefore the purists among us have no alternative Perhaps Purist was the wrong term to use, and Professional/Expert would have been better. 16 hours ago, grahamparker said: I am a Professional key cutter with the best equipment As am I, but you missed my point Many main stream branded cylinder keys, ER1/2, YA1E, YA89, YA91, CS206, CS204, WMS2 etc. get duplicated on universal blanks Amlocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 I bet we've all done it. Friday afternoon, one of the hotels needed two titan cylinder keys cutting, straight away. Told them I could order the proper blanks, be in Tuesday. Wanted them now. Cut them on universals, it was either that or lose the sale to another key cutter. Keys worked a treat, customer happy. Bit of a shame, as I was looking forward to ringing sks on mon to order a pair of tits (1d) Amlocks, grahamparker and kobblers 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkybob Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 I was speaking to a person who cuts keys ( will not call him a keycutter) in my local cash and carry. He told me that he cuts all cylinder keys for £2, all cut on UL2s and never gets any back. Where am I going wrong, I got thousands of blanks and somtime get some back. kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, kirkybob said: I was speaking to a person who cuts keys ( will not call him a keycutter) in my local cash and carry. He told me that he cuts all cylinder keys for £2, all cut on UL2s and never gets any back. Where am I going wrong, I got thousands of blanks and somtime get some back. I think he may be telling you porkies, mate. NO-ONE is that infallible or lucky. Rick. Mike at Vauxhall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakeemz Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 yeah porkies, he never gets chavo, gege, eva, talons, not to mention new yales? Mike at Vauxhall and kobblers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Had a quite clearly labelled yale genuine basic cylinder key in a few days ago, obviously cut 4 on yale 1As. Didn't work. Customer bought in the yale padlock, series YE1, cut four universals that worked very well. Didn't see a yale alternative in the blank book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, cowers lane 583 said: Had a quite clearly labelled yale genuine basic cylinder key in a few days ago, obviously cut 4 on yale 1As. Didn't work. Customer bought in the yale padlock, series YE1, cut four universals that worked very well. Didn't see a yale alternative in the blank book. We have seen quite a lot of Yale branded keys that are not YA1E at all. I believe these are done on the machines in B & Q, Asda and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Definitely not a laser key. It was for a yale padlock, he bought the padlock in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Weird. I keep seeing ERA ER1 keys genuine looking things but on a Yale 1A profile. Has anyone else seen these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavin Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Hi this Yale pad lock, was it from British railway, as I been getting these for the last few month and can not find the blank myself. Any chance you can get a photo of one so we can all see it. if not as soon as I get ask again I will get a photo myself and post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, cowers lane 583 said: Definitely not a laser key. It was for a yale padlock, he bought the padlock in. Was it 5 or 6 pin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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