I just got through reading the Lisbon treaty. OMG!!!!!!

[k4mrc]

 

 

WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK TERESA MAYS DEAL IS BAD, JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIN

..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.

Check it out if you wish ——>>

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.

2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.

3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.

4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)

5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.

6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.

7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.

8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.

9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.

10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights

11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights

12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty

13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation

14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent

15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy

16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them

17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths

18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc

19: The UK loses control of its judicial system

20: The UK loses control of its international policy

21: The UK loses full control of its national policy

22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.

23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program

24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction

25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty

26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?

They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!

Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore.

 

[GLENGRAVING]

nice pasta 

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[hakeemz]

lol

[carnkev]

and there in lies the reason were all in the mess we are in. so much nonsense being spun at present. EU not perfect by a long  long way but its like being in a buying group, you get better deals and trade easier  being in it. 

[grahamparker]

1 minute ago, carnkev said:

and there in lies the reason were all in the mess we are in. so much nonsense being spun at present. EU not perfect by a long  long way but its like being in a buying group, you get better deals and trade easier  being in it. 

What is it with Buying Groups, i have one supplier that gives me better discounts than a buying group ever would get.

 

[simon1]

time will show us what is better
in a year or two we will see who is right
so far the truth is that the British Government did nothing to prepare the country for Brexit
I hope that in the end some decisions will be taken so that everyone knows where we stand
For a while, you can only hear stupid talks and see the fight for positions up there on the top

[grahamparker]

10 minutes ago, simon1 said:

time will show us what is better
in a year or two we will see who is right
so far the truth is that the British Government did nothing to prepare the country for Brexit
I hope that in the end some decisions will be taken so that everyone knows where we stand
For a while, you can only hear stupid talks and see the fight for positions up there on the top

Problem is most of the politicians do not want us to leave because of there own vested interests.

Over 70% voted out in our area yet the MP for Grimsby up until last week voted for everything but leave.

I think she realised last week that she may be out of a job (so last week changed her stance) come the next election which will be amazing if she does as Grimsby historically vote Labour no matter how inept the politician is.

She may be in for a massive shock.

[petercoulson]

1 hour ago, grahamparker said:

Problem is most of the politicians do not want us to leave because of there own vested interests.

Over 70% voted out in our area yet the MP for Grimsby up until last week voted for everything but leave.

I think she realised last week that she may be out of a job (so last week changed her stance) come the next election which will be amazing if she does as Grimsby historically vote Labour no matter how inept the politician is.

She may be in for a massive shock.

My constituency area also voted out but our Conservative MP Nadine Dorries has always voted the way she has been told something I didn't expect so good for her, how it should be. The problem is generally this puts you off voting. 

[keithm]

During an interesting trip to the Weisbaden Exhibition last weekend, I was amazed at suppliers concern over Brexit.  I went to the Exhibition determined not to mention the subject, but every supplier/Manufacturer bar none asked me what was going on with Brexit!!!

 

i can assure you all that they are more worried about the outcome than we are!!!

[rapidlocks]

i cant believe that the main parties seem to want a general election , with the mood online and around the country surely a general election would see many of them ousted from their jobs , some because the voted against the wishes of their voters , some because they have proven just how useless they are .

a general election may well see us stay in eu , or it may see an influx of votes for brexit party , far right parties and even extrteme far right groups , if part of the problem is the minority government , what do they think a general election will bring , i suspect an even more divided house of commons than it is now.

total mayhem caused by the powers that be , so much nonsence and scare mongering on both sides , no one truly knows what they will be voting for

[simon1]

1 hour ago, keithm said:

During an interesting trip to the Weisbaden Exhibition last weekend, I was amazed at suppliers concern over Brexit.  I went to the Exhibition determined not to mention the subject, but every supplier/Manufacturer bar none asked me what was going on with Brexit!!!

 

i can assure you all that they are more worried about the outcome than we are!!!

they do not worry about Brexit, but the way it takes place
5 minutes to go and no one knows anything
It is difficult to do business in such strange circumstances
Business likes long-term planning and clarity in trade with every country
Unfortunately, no one today can say how it will be
British politicians did nothing for two years and only now they woke up and they pretend to have some ideas
I will not be surprised if Mr. Bean will be the next prime minister
At least it will be funny

[kirkybob]

In the next election I intrend to vote fo any one but the top three parties.if there is only the main three parties I will will spoil my vote with the words " NONE OF THE ABOVE"

Edited April 2, 2019 by kirkybob
dyslexic keyboard

[GLENGRAVING]

they should swallow their pride and have another referendum, now that we know what the process and outcomes look like

except stipulate that the result to change from the status quo needs to get over 50% of the votes in each constituent country.

If you can convince more than half of scots, of welsh, of northern irish and of english to leave, then it might work. The irish border situation is one of the main problems, and the fact that Scots are leaving despite their wishes only fuels notions of independence. This mess is too divisive to be workable. 

[petercoulson]

1 minute ago, GLENGRAVING said:

they should swallow their pride and have another referendum, now that we know what the process and outcomes look like

except stipulate that the result to change from the status quo needs to get over 50% of the votes in each constituent country.

If you can convince more than half of scots, of welsh, of northern irish and of english to leave, then it might work. The irish border situation is one of the main problems, and the fact that Scots are leaving despite their wishes only fuels notions of independence. This mess is too divisive to be workable. 

But that would ruin democracy. Have another referendum that says stay by a small majority so we have another and another, where does it stop? 

 

There was a piece I read the other day, what if the referendum had voted Stay but the MPs were convinced the electorate were wrong and pushed through a leave deal, how much uproar would that cause?

[rapidlocks]

the conclusion may well be taken out of mp's hands , if the french or another eu member state veto an extension to article 50 , then there is only 3 courses of action open to our politicians ;

leave on may 12th with no deal

agree the withdrawal agreement and leave 

revoke article 50 and remain

without an extension being given , these are then the only options open to them . any other outcome relies on the granting of a long extension .

the eu have played a blinder making our politicians look 3rd class in comparison , they would sooner us revoke and stay or leave on the bad deal given , only no deal causes them a headache , though looking at the feeling towards no deal in commons its a safe bet for them that if they say no to an extension then the odds of getting an outcome they want increase.

 

[GLENGRAVING]

 

1 hour ago, petercoulson said:

But that would ruin democracy. Have another referendum that says stay by a small majority so we have another and another, where does it stop? 

Democracy is a pain in the arse. David Cameron misjudged it big time by not requiring a greater majority to change from the status quo. 

Edited April 2, 2019 by GLENGRAVING

[hakeemz]

Oh dear...watch out you are in ukip territory 

[hibsjo(SCO)]

thats the problem everyone keeps voting for theses fukkers

carry on!

[SteelCityShoes]

3 hours ago, hakeemz said:

Oh dear...watch out you are in ukip territory 

UKIP we’re prepared to push a second referendum if the majority was this small, so god knows why they’re complaining now.

All the arguments aside and results aside, when it was revealed the Leave campaigns broke the law, the whole thing should have been scrapped and done again

[Flash]

I don't see what a second referendum would achieve... a landslide to remain? a landslide to leave? or 51- 49 split either way?

Landslide unlikely, so, another split, another referendum. I don't see the point, they haven't taken any notice of the last one so why should they take any notice of the next one two three.

They will get what they want no matter what we voted for.

[Mike at Vauxhall]

Brexit is such a mess because the eu has infiltrated some much of the UK's legislature, that negotiating out of it is just non stop pit falls and red tape. All part of the EU's aim for one large European superstate, with complete political unity. Hardly the trading union we voted into in 74.  EEC, European economic community , until 79, good name for a trading relationship between several states , then eu, good name for a political superstate.

 

[rapidlocks]

after tonights announcement it looks like we may kind of leave but not leave , just be bound by all the rules without any say in the rules and pay for it too

[simon1]

9 hours ago, rapidlocks said:

after tonights announcement it looks like we may kind of leave but not leave , just be bound by all the rules without any say in the rules and pay for it too

As with our wives
Boys is not so bad we know how to behave in such situations