Light at the end of the Tunnel - An Exit Strategy for lockdown

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3 minutes ago, grahamparker said:

He’s just come back from our walk today and is knackered but happy.

You sure he's not dead? give him a poke.......

[rapidlocks]

7 hours ago, petercoulson said:

That's going to be quite a difficult call for small shop owners if they are furloughed at the moment it could well be worth considering staying furloughed as long as possible until the High St is sufficiently open to make enough money to cover wages.

 

@grahamparker that's excellent news but if you keep walking that many miles a day your dog is going to be severely disappointed when you go back to work. Or relieved if it's like mine

this is the dilemna many small businesses will face , there may not be enough work initially until things pick up , its a tough call many will need to make , i suspect many small businesses simply wont reopen in some trades

[Simes]

On 4/16/2020 at 3:21 PM, petercoulson said:

A question about some countries spraying and disinfecting their shops before re-opening, the virus has different shelf life depending on what it is attached to but with our shops being shut so long there should be no worries. Saying that a little clean and spruce up wouldn't go amiss anyway.

 

The coronavirus can live for hours to days on surfaces like countertops and doorknobs. How long it survives depends on the material the surface is made from.

Here's a guide to how long coronaviruses -- the family of viruses that includes the one that causes COVID-19 -- can live on some of the surfaces you probably touch on a daily basis. Keep in mind that researchers still have a lot to learn about the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19. For example, they don't know whether exposure to heat, cold, or sunlight affects how long it lives on surfaces.

 

Metal
Examples: doorknobs, jewelry, silverware
 5 days

Wood
Examples: furniture, decking 
4 days

Plastics
Examples: packaging like milk containers and detergent bottles, subway and bus seats, backpacks, elevator buttons
 2 to 3 days

Stainless steel
Examples: refrigerators, pots and pans, sinks, some water bottles
 2 to 3 days

Cardboard
Examples: shipping boxes
 24 hours

Copper
Examples: pennies, teakettles, cookware
 4 hours

Aluminium
Examples: soda cans, tinfoil, water bottles
 2 to 8 hours

Glass
Examples: drinking glasses, measuring cups, mirrors, windows
Up to 5 days

Ceramics
Examples: dishes, pottery, mugs
 5 days

Paper
The length of time varies. Some strains of coronavirus live for only a few minutes on paper, while others live for up to 5 days.

 

 

A friend of mine is in the cleaning industry and has a fogging machine which disinfects all surfaces including carpets and fabrics in fact virtually every surface.  Brilliant idea.  Harmless to humans animals and the environment.  

[windycity]

A question though you may all think stupid! If I wear gloves but wash my hands with them on would that be the same as washing hands and no gloves but better protection ?

[petercoulson]

12 minutes ago, windycity said:

A question though you may all think stupid! If I wear gloves but wash my hands with them on would that be the same as washing hands and no gloves but better protection ?

It's not a stupid question as many people are doing it @windycity but pointless as they are non porous you won't wash everything off and then may get a false sense of security. Correct hand hygiene is the best answer then gloves but dispose of them at regular intervals, most importantly don't touch your face!

[windycity]

Thank you @petercoulson as always.

[Count Muppet]

Timpson are reopening several shops next week because of the dry clean/ laundry loophole.

having dry cleaning means you’re allowed to be open and have however many other services you like.

ill let you know what steps they’re making (if any) to protect those working in, and visiting the shops when I find out.

[hibsjo(SCO)]

Peter what is the machine that kills odours and bacteria in shoes called ?

would this sort out the virus on shoes and other small items ?

carry on!

[Lee]

8 hours ago, Count Muppet said:

Timpson are reopening several shops next week because of the dry clean/ laundry loophole.

having dry cleaning means you’re allowed to be open and have however many other services you like.

ill let you know what steps they’re making (if any) to protect those working in, and visiting the shops when I find out.

Do you have that in writing or is it just speculative hear say?

[ironplanet uk900]

[petercoulson]

1 hour ago, hibsjo(SCO) said:

Peter what is the machine that kills odours and bacteria in shoes called ?

would this sort out the virus on shoes and other small items ?

carry on!

That's not an answer I will make, there's different types of UV none of them are good for your skin thats why the UV sanitizers look like microwaves (the ebay light things are useless) Personally I wouldn't trust them to kill the virus

This is a pretty good report on UV - https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light

[Count Muppet]

2 hours ago, Lee said:

Do you have that in writing or is it just speculative hear say?

I have it in writing. Obviously not written as “we’ve found a loophole” but not much different.

[ironplanet uk900]

10 hours ago, Count Muppet said:

I have it in writing. Obviously not written as “we’ve found a loophole” but not much different.

Let's see a copy then.

[Count Muppet]

I’ll see if I can find a copy that isn’t so obvious who it may have been sent to but to be honest I’m quite offended that you haven’t taken my word for it

ive been a member on here for many years, helped people wherever I’ve been able to, with either pointing towards keys, suppliers or information. Always given heads up as soon as I get them with anything Timpson related that may affect any of you so that you’re prepared before you find out too late, but all of a sudden I seem to be considered a liar?

[x minit uk]

9 hours ago, Count Muppet said:

I’ll see if I can find a copy that isn’t so obvious who it may have been sent to but to be honest I’m quite offended that you haven’t taken my word for it

ive been a member on here for many years, helped people wherever I’ve been able to, with either pointing towards keys, suppliers or information. Always given heads up as soon as I get them with anything Timpson related that may affect any of you so that you’re prepared before you find out too late, but all of a sudden I seem to be considered a liar?

Does that include branches that only take cleaning in and send it off ?

[petercoulson]

I'm not sure what the fascination is with T re-opening shops (they could quite easily have left some open) but the Gov exemptions are Laundrettes & Dry Cleaners it doesn't specify on site services so they can open most shops if they felt like it but that would be very costly and almost certain to lose a lot of money while they can furlough staff instead plus increase the risk to staff - yes there's other costs that cannot be avoided but if you open a shop you have to do enough turnover to cover everything that's a risk.

Has anyone on here who comes under the Hardware exemption stayed open and has it been worth it?

[Mick Friend]

Do you think if Mr T opens shops with maybe one staff he will steal a march on those not opening? He is not stupid, he is a money maker, he rarely gets it wrong so what is the outcome of him opening as said 80% of the wages bill paid to having to front 100% there has to be a reason,  - I suspect he will offer 'key workers' low of free cleaning, shoe repairs and key cutting to be the good guy on the block.

 

[x minit uk]

Interesting to hear some conservative MPs are putting pressure on Boris to lift some of the restrictions, Mr Ts Brother is a Tory MP.

[petercoulson]

8 minutes ago, x minit uk said:

Interesting to hear some conservative MPs are putting pressure on Boris to lift some of the restrictions, Mr Ts Brother is a Tory MP.

 

At some point the restrictions will be lifted but it must be a slow process taking stock of each move over a period of time - we will see a second peak or even a 3rd if it goes wrong. We are behind other countries so we can see to a degree what happens but I am sure we can write off most of this year for meals and drinks out so many hospitality businesses will finish.

[petercoulson]

So I just noticed this on Twitter, seems it's not the dry cleaning shops but the inside supermarket ones (as Argos inside Sainsburys) 

 

 

[Count Muppet]

They noticed the dry clean and laundry shops were allowed to open so decided to open some Johnson’s shops from Monday. They done further digging to find out whether other services in the same branch were ok to provide. 
when they found out this was ok, they extended the trial to some Timpson shops too. Now they’re opening 40 this week.

the plan is to start with supermarkets because they all have DC, then pods, then high street with DC then look at the other high street shops later.

seems to be a 2/3 week trail with the first 40 shops but could expand or close when needed 

[petercoulson]

20 minutes ago, Count Muppet said:

They noticed the dry clean and laundry shops were allowed to open so decided to open some Johnson’s shops from Monday. They done further digging to find out whether other services in the same branch were ok to provide. 
when they found out this was ok, they extended the trial to some Timpson shops too. Now they’re opening 40 this week.

the plan is to start with supermarkets because they all have DC, then pods, then high street with DC then look at the other high street shops later.

seems to be a 2/3 week trail with the first 40 shops but could expand or close when needed 

Thanks @Count Muppet that makes business sense and will be interesting to see the demand, James has made a piece on the BBC as well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52431295

[petercoulson]

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said on Sunday that "careful steps" will be needed when easing the lockdown.

The industry body and the union issued the advice to non-food retailers, closely based on what is already happening in many food stores. Some suggestions include:

• limiting the number of people in-store at any one time
• encouraging customers to shop alone where possible
• scheduling deliveries to avoid crowding
• cleaning door handles, lift buttons and hand rails regularly
• using floor markings to remind customers to maintain a distance of 2m

[k4mrc]

I'm putting a sin up to take in dry cleaning, then can open?

[Count Muppet]

Sounds like it.

im hoping my local coffee shops and cafes start taking in dry cleaning too.

ive not had a decent coffee for ages