'Onest Andy Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Hello all, Having a problem with a pair of boots bought into me for sole replacement. Unfortunately I can not find any form of maker's name or mark on the boots anywhere. As i began to grind away the warn sole I noticed that the material melted away much like the old Polyveldt units of the 80's used to. i also noticed that the ground surface was incredibly sticky to touch even when totally cool. Experience told me to stop as I knew straight away there was likely to be an issue with bonding. I decided to test sticking to the small ground down area before going any further. Materials tried: Rubber and PVC Adhesives tried: Bondfast, Bostik PA5050 and Renia Multicolle. Sadly none of the above combinations have been successful. So now I'm asking if anyone else has experienced this problem and if there might be a solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I've done a few of those in the past, I strip the whole lot off down to the upper , mock welt it then a 4 MM. Micro middle blaked on and finally a Vibrams unit. keithm, AcremanS, Kayotickay and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisorros Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Have you tried using a primer first? I would give it a try if you haven't. The two i use are listed below. Renia green primer Sand polyrethane surface coat with primer. Apply adhesive immediately Rehagol primer yellow label is for thermo plastic rubber. Allow 5 Minutes to dry before applying adhesive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Onest Andy Posted May 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Have you tried using a primer first? I would give it a try if you haven't. The two i use are listed below. Renia green primer Sand polyrethane surface coat with primer. Apply adhesive immediately Rehagol primer yellow label is for thermo plastic rubber. Allow 5 Minutes to dry before applying adhesive. I have indeed tried both primers sadly neither were successful. Sorry forgot to mention that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Onest Andy Posted May 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 I've done a few of those in the past, I strip the whole lot off down to the upper , mock welt it then a 4 MM. Micro middle blaked on and finally a Vibrams unit. Thanks for that suggestion that would certainly solve the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Super glue! kobblers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Fix Elgin Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Super glue! Use Super glue as a primer then 5050 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Really? How do you apply it over such a large area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 have you really been repairing shoes for 30 years? carry on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Set up press and warm up the sole. Super glue only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Onest Andy Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The super glue suggestion is certainly interesting. I've never contemplated using it on shoes simply because when dry it has no flexibility when dry. Plus when customers attempt their own super glue repair the shoes inevitably end up with me to be bonded properly. However I will try the suggestions made on my test area and let you know the results.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Fix Elgin Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The super glue suggestion is certainly interesting. I've never contemplated using it on shoes simply because when dry it has no flexibility when dry. Plus when customers attempt their own super glue repair the shoes inevitably end up with me to be bonded properly. However I will try the suggestions made on my test area and let you know the results.. please do apply the super glue with an old brush from renia primer jars, let it dry then apply 5050 on shoe and sole( no need to apply primer to sole, but you know that ) We did a pair of gents heels (Doc Martins) using this method, better result then renia primer yellow label Will be good to get a feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 If you are using super glue on anything i would recommend masking of the rest of the shoe before you start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 non of these problems would be there if you could still get fossplast 8016 for doc matins and the 8020 of gripsotite pta for all the others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 If your having trouble bonding doc martins then I really think you should be looking for another trade. kobblers and keithm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Dr Martens': 505 - no primer. NEVER had an issue. I mentioned years ago that super glue made a great primer and got shot down for it, now it appears that most people endorse it................. Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Onest Andy Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Well I have to report that having tried the suggested method of applying super glue as a primer and then PA5050. It works very well. I used Loctite brush on super glue. left it for a good 30 mins to go right off. then used the PA5050 as normal. End result an excellent bond. I admit to being surprised as to how well it worked. Certainly a trick I would try again in the future. Sadly there's no doubt I lost money on this job as the material was horrible stuff which completely clogged and ruined the scouring band that along with the £5.49 for the superglue pretty much wiped out the profit.. However this was a new customer and he was very happy with the work. So hopefully in the end it will turn out to have made me money. Thanks to all who posted. Mike at Vauxhall, kobblers, Simes and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Fix Elgin Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Dr Martens': 505 - no primer. NEVER had an issue. I mentioned years ago that super glue made a great primer and got shot down for it, now it appears that most people endorse it................. Rick. You were well ahead of your time mate Lee and kobblers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 i found that if you spread the superglue with your knife edge and put a really thin layer on, it cut down on the waste of superglue and gave a good base to work on having said that i havent uesd this process for a while as the primers do the job now 20 years ago the things you had to try to bond some of these materials were like science programmes carry on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 I have a pair of something similar in at the moment. Horrible oily material sitched to the welt, underneath the main sole/heel. The problem was that it was perishing rather than the glue failing. So I have stripped off and replaced with micro which is getting stitched on then I'll put some new Vibram units on top. Should do the trick! I'll post the results (if I remember). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 I have a pair of something similar in at the moment. Horrible oily material sitched to the welt, underneath the main sole/heel. The problem was that it was perishing rather than the glue failing. So I have stripped off and replaced with micro which is getting stitched on then I'll put some new Vibram units on top. Should do the trick! I'll post the results (if I remember). i do this quite often, works a treat, i have also on a few occasions used superglue as a primer, i use a scrap piece of rubber sole to spread it over the sole, but prefer to remove the old sole completely if the customer is willing to pay the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Worksop Heel Bar Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 We tend to use an old customer ticket to spread the super glue. Ticket was going to end up the bin anyway so why not get another use out of it before hand. Lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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