OhThatGlynn Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Hi there folks, I need to make copies of these 100 year old keys, but I don't know what blanks to buy and no one in town deals with mortice keys anymore. The Pilot House key is significantly thicker than the others (roughly 5.5mm pin but a meaty 4mm thick bit), and has a cut down one side of the bit that lines up with a tooth in the keyhole. The others are all the same gauge (about 5-6mm wide at the pin end, the bits are about 1.5mm thick). Can anyone identify what these are? Or point me in a direction I could look into? Thank you in advance friends, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Most cobbler and locksmith shops will support duplication of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I think about half of the key cutters I know could cut these keys, especially seen as you say none of your local ones will not even do mortice keys,I think the "pilot's one " will be the most difficult. If you put your location maybe someone on the forum, who is close to you, can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) They look like the Gibbons A and B series, precut keys. Not seen one in over 15 years. Rick. Edited February 17, 2021 by kobblers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growster Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 To cut the circled bit away with the sidecut wheel of the Lancer, you would normall need to grind off part of the foreskin (see arrow) on the original and the copy. To avoid that one would need a bowsaw someone said here a long while ago. How does that work with a bowsaw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Foreskin? grahamparker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Count Muppet said: Foreskin? Collar surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I’ve always called it a collar too. It’s surely never been called a foreskin by anyone else otherwise you’d have to call the bit a bellend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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abababa Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, grahamparker said: There's enough going on with the throating and the shaft without adding the foreskin into the mix... GLENGRAVING, Growster and kobblers 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaloti Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, abababa said: There's enough going on with the throating and the shaft without adding the foreskin into the mix... Are these for RIM locks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Growster said: To cut the circled bit away I would use either a collar ward file or keysaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhThatGlynn Posted February 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 So delighted this question has sparked some lively discussion regarding anatomy of a key, thank you all this has all been very instructive. Do these keys have a standard gauge or should I start to scrumble around looking for something close and start cutting and grinding it down to size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Still an easy job, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, k4mrc said: Still an easy job, Agreed still do many of these every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhThatGlynn Posted February 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 8 hours ago, grahamparker said: Agreed still do many of these every year. Where I live, I have the last surviving mortice keys in the province. I need to order blanks from overseas but I need to know what size these are first. What blanks would you order to cut these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Universal rim blanks of the correct gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhThatGlynn Posted February 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, grahamparker said: Universal rim blanks of the correct gauge. Oh cool ok, how can I find out what the gauge is for these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Use a mortice key gauge or a vernier caliper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 https://www.aldridgesecurity.co.uk/asec-0140-asec-19mm-bit-rim-blank.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhThatGlynn Posted February 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 2/20/2021 at 2:32 PM, grahamparker said: Use a mortice key gauge or a vernier caliper. According to the calipers I have used the main two keys are 5.8mm thick at the pin and 6.1mm thick at the pin, what gauge would you call that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 5.8mm is a 4 Gauge and 6.1mm is a 3.5 gsuge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASmith Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Hi I'm working with OhThatGlynn. We've been trying since this posted to get some keys but we're having absolutely no luck. Does anyone know any supplier that sells Universal Rim Blanks in 4 Gauge and 3.5 Gauge in Brass and will to ship to Canada? We're even having trouble just getting steel ones shipped here! Thanks A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 I doubt you would get them in brass, where is here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 48 minutes ago, keithm said: I doubt you would get them in brass, where is here? Canada by the look of it keithm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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