cobblers.keys Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 My local council now seem to be putting alot of 6 pin TL blanks (trade lock) on their replacement doors/locks. I do not have an accout with them and for the sake of just getting this blank from them can't see the point of opening one. I was led to believe that a HD wms8 would work, but I have tried these a couple of times but they come back not working. Any other ideas ? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers.keys Posted September 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Thanks for that. The last time I asked at Davenports about these blanks the woman on the phone told me they don't stock them. I will ring them again Monday cheers. AJD2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 The alternative on the website is a uap blank. Always used a ul2 for that, with no problems. Does that work for TL keys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 To confuse things a wee bit more, there seems to be two TL key profiles. They are similar. All the universals will do one of them no problem but its evil twin is a different matter all-together! I ordered the genuine TL blanks and was expecting them to do the job, but they dont. UL2 will work if you thin it down a bit but would love to know if there's a TL blank for the more awkward profile? Mike at Vauxhall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I used to have the odd random problem with genuine UAP+ keys but now, when I cut them I clamp them in the machine using the lowest groove never have any problems now! NYKeys and kobblers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYKeys Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I used to have the odd random problem with genuine UAP+ keys but now, when I cut them I clamp them in the machine using the lowest groove never have any problems now! Yep that's what we do. UAP we clamp in the channel rather than referencing off the back edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Genuine:https://www.davenport-burgess.com/products/GENUINE-6-PIN-UAP-TL-KEY-BLANK/P134861 They sell their own blank for the TL, I have some of them, UAP1 I believe.https://www.davenport-burgess.com/products/UAP1NP-BRASS-NICKEL-PLATED/P129253 Quite why I can find this but they can't I am unsure. *edit* You don't realise that UAP and TL are the same thing. Look on the "manufacturer" section of the linked blanks. I have bought the original TL keys ... I have had half a dozen different ones returned, all because they won't go into the lock. Ul2 thinned down is the only thing that will work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I'm intrigued: why does Lee get nervous? I'd also like to know why they don't work and how it can be rectified just in case I encounter a problem. Rick. gavin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Wozza tends to tell it like it is. Like you cant cut keys because your no good. your machines are wrong and you need to use calipers. apart from that though..... and in some ways he is right, if you buy a TL cylinder yourself and have a go at different ways it is easy, I have never had a TL key back, not that I do many keys anyway clamping on the first groove is a great way to make sure it works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobblers.keys Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I have ordered some UAP 1 blanks from HD instead of the genuine TL blanks. As has been said they are both the same keys but the UAP 1 is less than half the price when bought from HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abababa Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Hi Locksafe....If you can me im sure Lee wouldn't mind.. Before i did the thinned down version, half a dozen customers failed to get a genuine TL key to go into their TL lock. One or two i might have overlooked... There's two profiles over here in Ireland 1 - the TL blanks/ ul064, ul2 all go into one type, 2 - the other profile (looks a bit like a CARL F profile with TL on the head).... For this only a thinned down universal (UL2) will go into the lock. I get them coming from Timpsons etc in the last few months because they don't even touch them. But i will try the HD version if they are different form the genuine TL's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I've had no issues with ul2 on the 6 pin. I use genuine on the 5 pin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Stock Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think the blank your after is the ICL very thin version of a universal key. Also covers the S-Tec key as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I know why they don't work but when I post Lee gets nervous... Use the HD UAP1 blanks, they work fine. Why does Lee get nervous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Because whenever a fat bloke threatens to sue you, Who is that then ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Not Me I'm no longer a 'fat bloke' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYKeys Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 threatens to sue On what grounds? Causing offence? :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Stock Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 The ICL blank is different to the TL blank, how could these be confused with each other? . If your thinning down a universal because it's too wide then it's the ICL key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony Davenport Posted July 8, 2022 Report Share Posted July 8, 2022 hi I know this is an old post - but I believe UL1 and UL2 Slim will cover these ICL keys and UAP TL keys . we found this after talking with a customer only today . https://www.davenport-burgess.com/products/UL1SLM-5-PIN-SLIM-UNIVERSAL-STEEL-NP/P135051 https://www.davenport-burgess.com/products/UL2SLM-6-PIN-SLIM-UNIVERSAL-STEEL-NP/P135052 Regards Tony Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Download our full key book FREE here --> http://literature.davenport-burgess.com/KC21_Web/DB_Key_Catalogue21_WEB.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony Davenport Posted July 8, 2022 Report Share Posted July 8, 2022 Regards Tony Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Download our full key book FREE here --> http://literature.davenport-burgess.com/KC21_Web/DB_Key_Catalogue21_WEB.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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