Is it me or ??

Recently I'm noticing that I'm getting more & more cylinder keys coming into to my shop were customers are having new locks or double glazed doors fitted & the keys have such a deep cuts they are boarder line to the face of my jaws ill take a photo & put it up .

It's not just new 6 pin or 5 pin Yales , I've noticed GEGE ect

I'm using a silca machine & I've had to wind in the Allen screw grub what protects the cutter hitting the jaws to get the deepest cuts

Turn the jaws round and hold th key in the bottom groove, this normally solves it

Every cylinder machine ive ever owned has 4 sided jaws, one of these sides is shallow for holding small keys, when i get deep cuts i use that side?

Hmm, we've had this problem quite a lot recently too.

Our machine is a Keyline Carat Quattro and the bottom (D) jaw is deeper than the A jaw

Jaw pins it is.

Rick.

Every cylinder machine ive ever owned has 4 sided jaws, one of these sides is shallow for holding small keys, when i get deep cuts i use that side?

It's not the jaw clamps as my machine is 4 sided

It's just maybe me being anal in noticing that the key depths are getting deeper on new keys to locks lol

I might stare train spotting & get out more

WE struggle with some depths on the bravo professional but not on the trusty 20+ year old record plus.

jaw D on the carat is not designed to allow the key to the bottom of the jaw , instead you use the first groove of a 1 a for eg into the slot of the jaw , for reverse profiles use jaw C locating the first groove on the key again

WE struggle with some depths on the bravo professional but not on the trusty 20+ year old record plus.

Do you know what all the years over 20 using a silca record

Never had problems with depths either one side for cylinder one side for cars

Simple straight forward

Now new silca

Merchant keys 1 st deep cut the bow hits or fouls the edge of guide

The jaws are too deep

& iff I try to cut a newer car key blank , a lot of new car keys have massive heads they foul the machine

I had to turn away the new defender 90 it's too long for machine

I'm gonna look out for another cylinder machine

You're using the wrong blank...YAX1

You're using the wrong blank...YAX1

Bud so when

GEGE s come in or isco s Eva s with a deep cut I'm better off using the correct blanks

The bit I'm tring to point out is the depth of original keys

In the jaws of the machine

Even if I use a yax1 wouldn't I still find that the deepest cut is beyond the depth of the jaw ??

The customer on this occasion had the euro lock So I could see that the blank I used did the job

You have a 4 way jaw on your machine why not use one of the other sides, and that doesn't look like a silca machine to me more like the sks tempest.

You're using the wrong blank...YAX1

Bud so when

GEGE s come in or isco s Eva s with a deep cut I'm better off using the correct blanks

I don't really understand where you're going with that..but yes, you're best to use the correct blank.

The bit I'm tring to point out is the depth of original keys

In the jaws of the machine

Even if I use a yax1 wouldn't I still find that the deepest cut is beyond the depth of the jaw ??

Sometimes, we get keys like that, where you cant access the very bottom of the cut when gripping the key in 'Jaw A'.

I dont know whether the jaws A,B,C & D are the same on this machine as on our Silca Quattro, but in this case I would have probably secured both blanks in Jaw D, gripping the fluting at the bottom to raise the key up slightly in the jaws...BUT if you're using the wrong blank such as a UL1, the fluting is shaped differently and the 2 keys may not sit the same in both jaws..potentially causing problems. The chances are if the cutting depth of your machine is set correctly, you'll get away with it anyway, but why leave it to chance when the correct blanks are readily available?

So when I said, 'you're using the wrong blank' I wasn't saying it to be a smartarse.....oh...well....maybe just a little...LOL

Is that we're I'm going wrong

Using too many universal key blanks

I should stop ordering a 1000 at a time

& start to order some other blanks lol

I may invest in another silca record

Never had a prob with big head keys

Or depths ect

Now thinking about it the jaw depths on those old machines were shallow

The amount of Renault keys what would fly out of them when I was cutting them

You have a 4 way jaw on your machine why not use one of the other sides, and that doesn't look like a silca machine to me more like the sks tempest.

Sorry it's a SKS storm

The machines seem more compact

I've tried the other sides with no success

I think I'm going to invest in another machine nxt year Ill prob keep this one for back up

Never understood why some of you use ul1's for everything instead of the correct blank.... Buffoons

Never understood why some of you use ul1's for everything instead of the correct blank.... Buffoons

Each to there own

We all choose to do things our own ways

But some with more experience than others

But we are always learning after 24 years

Well some of us

PS

u26d

Slightly advanced on from the ul2

ffs sick of this use the right blank and you wont have a problem .if you cant learn and do the job right

then dont do it at all thats why the fly by night suppose to be cobbler key cutter gives the real tradesman a bad name

to coin a phrase from hibs

carry on

I concur...........

Oi, I concur, you just agree But I cncur on this occasion too, 24 years and still using Universal

Mad cobbler

Today I cut 45 ul1s

Not including all the others on the right blanks

Who knows how many ill cut Tom

Not including all those mortice keys I make up

Ill take some photos of those too !!

But I tell u what

My keys don't come bk

& from £4.00 each

Love it

Who's the baffoooon

& it don't make a difference on what blanks in the machine iff the original is lower than the vice ,

it's lower

Even iff I had a ul1 in the other side

Who's the best key cutter

Me

Only me

The baffooooon s the one who's keys come bk

& that ain't me

Love it

calm down put the dummy back in

dont be such a uptight buffoon

"my keys dont come bk" bold quote that one.

I have cut well over 1.5 Million keys approx since starting out 30 odd years ago in this trade and even i get keys back.

Badly worn/twisted/copies of copies etc.

I will bet you now that every member of this forum that cuts keys gets the occasional key back.

I am not perfect and i don't know anybody who is but i will always do my best.

Even cutting with the triax or unocode a key a small piece of swarf in the wrong place can knock out the

auto calibration causing a key to be cut incorrectly.

"my keys dont come bk" bold quote that one.

 

I have cut well over 1.5 Million keys approx since starting out 30 odd years ago in this trade and even i get keys back.

 

Badly worn/twisted/copies of copies etc.

 

I will bet you now that every member of this forum that cuts keys gets the occasional key back.

 

I am not perfect and i don't know anybody who is but i will always do my best.

 

Even cutting with the triax or unocode a key a small piece of swarf in the wrong place can knock out the

auto calibration causing a key to be cut incorrectly.

As in when I cut on a universal blank

It's strange how when someone like myself a no body puts up a querie regarding

Something I have noticed with the machine I'm using or with original

Keys being or having much deeper cuts

I get slated

Makes me wonder y bother

Verry clicky site

Thanks for all the great comments

it ain't clicky. but like anything you have to get to know the members to really know them. IMO. a couple of members on here used to really wind me up, until I meet them. once I new their personalities I read their replies in a whole new light.

You HAVE to read everything with a pinch of salt on a forum based website, take the good (and theres a lot of good) ignore the bad, simples.

Lee