Simes Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 I often get asked to copy RFID fobs and cards etc. Any advice on the most universal products around to do this successfully and prices charged for copying. Trying to work out if it's worth the investment. kobblers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Same here. Rick. Simes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkybob Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 I use this as local housing assoc has rfid entry to blocks of flats. Not a huge earner but does make money. and brings in other keys for cutting. www.davenport-burgess.com/products/SMART-CARD-FOB-READER-KIT/P137587#/#substitutions believe SKS also sell this. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Many of our shops have the same machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the locksmith Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Some can be copied on the RW4 or similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Smartcard reader deluxe was a great purchase for me. Paid for itself within 6months. Seriously considering getting the Paxton reader. If I had any money spare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Has anyone been having much success with the Paxton reader? I thought I read there were issues with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 I have this system - it's so quick and easy to use, we often check it's actually worked as for pricing £10 each 2nd half price - not used very week but had to do 7 for one customer the other day I wouldn't sell it though - so I guess worth the investment Paxton, i got asked about 4 times for this type so bought it - guise what? NEVER USED (2 years now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 I have brand new one for sale. £300 Smart Card Deluxe that is. Simes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 I have no experience regarding these entry cards, fobs, tags etc. I'm worried about investing then find every other one that comes in can't be done. How universal are they and do I need to buy a stack of stock or are their universal "tags". Sorry if I'm sounding dumb, but I have no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 The Paxton one clones onto a 'copy' fob you have to buy the 'copy' fob off the supplier you cannot clone a copy to a copy you must have an original. I had such an event - blocks of luxury flats many people died, moved, lost over the 10 years - It was cheaper and easier in the end to convince them to allow me to reprogramme all 3 blocks and issue 70 fobs with shadow cards all in a locked keysafe under the management committee control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Mick Friend said: The Paxton one clones onto a 'copy' fob you have to buy the 'copy' fob off the supplier you cannot clone a copy to a copy you must have an original. I had such an event - blocks of luxury flats many people died, moved, lost over the 10 years - It was cheaper and easier in the end to convince them to allow me to reprogramme all 3 blocks and issue 70 fobs with shadow cards all in a locked keysafe under the management committee control Better security too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at Vauxhall Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Mick Friend said: The Paxton one clones onto a 'copy' fob you have to buy the 'copy' fob off the supplier you cannot clone a copy to a copy you must have an original. Does that mean, a few years down the line, customers may have clones, but think they have originals, but these can't be copied. That's a potential time bomb of minor complaints. That's enough to put me off. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmarsters Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 We have the SCD1 Smart Card reader fob as mentioned above and sell loads of them at £15. There's lots of older blocks of flats that have these on communal doors, although a lot of the newer ones now seem to have upgraded to fobs that actually have to be programmed in, rather than just cloned. We bought the Paxton bullet fob device around a year ago as we seemed to be getting asked regularly for them, and then since then we've probably cloned less than 10. I didn't realise that you can only copy from an original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 10:45 AM, Mick Friend said: The Paxton one clones onto a 'copy' fob you have to buy the 'copy' fob off the supplier you cannot clone a copy to a copy you must have an original. I had such an event - blocks of luxury flats many people died, moved, lost over the 10 years - It was cheaper and easier in the end to convince them to allow me to reprogramme all 3 blocks and issue 70 fobs with shadow cards all in a locked keysafe under the management committee control The Paxton TDF1 can copy a copied fob as the copied fob is an exact duplicate of the original and is seen as an original by both the Paxton system and the TDF1 machine. So I am not sure what happened in your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 12:17 PM, cowers lane 583 said: Does that mean, a few years down the line, customers may have clones, but think they have originals, but these can't be copied. That's a potential time bomb of minor complaints. That's enough to put me off. Mike. No. There is no issue with copying a fob that the TDF1 copier has cloned. the original and the clone are exactly the same and both the Paxton system and the TDF1 machine recognise them both as one and the same.. Mike at Vauxhall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbleit Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Its been quite a while since we updated our Smartcard Deluxe machine. I tried today and the website and server are not working. Have I got old software on my computer, has the firm collapsed? Does anybody have a link to the latest firmware/update software. Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 57 minutes ago, cobbleit said: Its been quite a while since we updated our Smartcard Deluxe machine. I tried today and the website and server are not working. Have I got old software on my computer, has the firm collapsed? Does anybody have a link to the latest firmware/update software. Thanks in advance Hi, There were some Non official Smartcard Deluxe machines coming into the UK so RMX shut down the ability of upgrading the SCD over the internet and now ay upgrades must be done by Fortress Lock and Safes. The most stable Firmware version is: V2.49 Dec 20 2019 you can find this under "Function" then "Next" then "Information" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbleit Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Onisan2000 said: Hi, There were some Non official Smartcard Deluxe machines coming into the UK so RMX shut down the ability of upgrading the SCD over the internet and now ay upgrades must be done by Fortress Lock and Safes. The most stable Firmware version is: V2.49 Dec 20 2019 you can find this under "Function" then "Next" then "Information" Hi. Thanks for your reply. Do I have to contact Fortress Lock and Safe direct or go through our supplier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I’m sorry, I don’t know that. I’d speak to your supplier in the first instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbleit Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Thanks anyway. I'll contact the supplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 there is bad news i have to tell - our smart card 'packed up' but, i didn't know this - RW4 programs them! so don't bother with it Terry let me know, GENIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 The RW4 can copy a small minority of fobs but not all the ones the SCD can, I’ve not heard of an SCD packing up before, it’s the main machine on the market for the 125mhz based chips. You would then want the TDF1 machine for Paxton and ETD1 machine for the NFC chips like Noralsy, Comelit etc depending on whether they are prevalent in your area. Some places are mainly 125Mhz so it’s not worth buying the other machines, some are more ETD1 based so best do some research before shedding out cash on the machines. k4mrc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pee Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 I have both the scd and Paxton. Where can I get the etd1? Is the etd1 simply read and write? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Speak to Ben at Fortress 21 minutes ago, pee said: I have both the scd and Paxton. Where can I get the etd1? Is the etd1 simply read and write? speak to Ben at Fortress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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