Tibbe Key Identification

[Auto Key Wizard]

Model and year of vehicle?
Does a valid Red master exist?
The PATS red master system will have a minimum of 3 keys coded (1 red and 2 black
An additional 13 keys may be coded using the master to make a total of 16

[Torment]

21 hours ago, Auto Key Wizard said:

Model and year of vehicle?
Does a valid Red master exist?
The PATS red master system will have a minimum of 3 keys coded (1 red and 2 black
An additional 13 keys may be coded using the master to make a total of 16

Thanks.
1996 Ford Escort
I have the Red Master Key
Originally Two normal black Keys, although one key misplaced.

just require one new key.

 

 

 

[Auto Key Wizard]

Cycle Red master ON, PATS LED ON then OFF
Remove Red master
Cycle new key with TIRIS 4C (glass packaged transponder) ON, PATS LED ON then OFF
Key coded, Take payment

 

[Torment]

That’s great thanks but I mean the programming of the key / transponder from a key programming perspective. 
  
I was led to believe I needed Red Master key otherwise can not add a new key but when making enquiries, I’m being told programming via Red Master key, is obsolete now and no one does it, and I must get an existing key cloned.

Cos of type the Car, I’d prefer to get a genuine Ford key from Ford but Ford say they don’t cut key anymore ? 

Can I not just buy a key from Ford and have the key cut by a key cutter and program the key to the myself using the Red Master Key or am I better off just having an existing key cloned 

[grahamparker]

If you can find a genuine Ford key with a red insert you can program yourself. Just need a local key cutter to cut it for you which may prove harder than obtaining a blank. Many key cutters for some bizzare reason refuse to cut customer supplied keys. We cut thousands and are more than happy to go so.

[grahamparker]

One one eBay.

 

 

[Auto Key Wizard]

You have confirmed you have the red master key (the plastic head is completely red)
All you need is one or more keys with 4C tranponders and they can be coded manually using the procedure above

[Torment]

15 hours ago, Auto Key Wizard said:

You have confirmed you have the red master key (the plastic head is completely red)
All you need is one or more keys with 4C tranponders and they can be coded manually using the procedure above

Yeah, I have completely Red Master Key and Fords can supply a genuine Ford Key with transponder but local Ford dealers and two other say they don’t cut keys anymore and recommend local key cutters who suggest cloning my existing key, as programming key into car is no longer done.

[Torment]

16 hours ago, grahamparker said:

One one eBay.

 

 

Yeah, that’s the one I found, thanks 

[Count Muppet]

I guess it’s because cloning is so easy now

the old ways and skills have been mostly lost

[rapidlocks]

24 minutes ago, Count Muppet said:

I guess it’s because cloning is so easy now

the old ways and skills have been mostly lost

i dont understand the new guys not investing time in traditional skills like impressioning , hand picking , overlifting , lock stripping and in particular key rules and series info , key reading and blank selection as all needed skills to avoid walking away.

one was moaning that he had wasted all his stock of blanks for a car as his machine decoded wrong cuts , yet a quick look at the cuts tells you exactly what key to cut without wasting keys.

when no lishi , no menu to follow they have no idea so turn to facebook rather than learn it but one day all those with these skills will have retired and there will be no help .

the old skills are essential and are actually enjoyable to learn.

[Auto Key Wizard]

1 hour ago, Torment said:

Yeah, I have completely Red Master Key

Firstly, there is no need to Quote to reply to the last comment.

Order a key either from Ford or the eBay seller (Official Ford Store is a genuine parts supplier) I use them
Have the key cut at a local key cutting shop
Then code it yourself, Simples

Any more further comments and I guess it's just to Torment us.

[Torment]

Ok thanks, will do, especially as it looks to be the less expensive alternative 

[lock&quay]

When decoding I hold it flat under a light .The light reflecting will be a 1 , if the cut next to the 1 looks like a 1 but no light is reflected it's a 2 . Turning the key slowly will help derifcinate the cuts .

[EST]

what about this... 

[mrkeys]

to me that looks like 143441

looks like the 1 on the tip has worn down to make it appear like a 2 

[Count Muppet]

That’s very worn. Maybe a 1 or 2 would work whichever you cut

a nice new lockset would save them from future problems. Assuming it’s a transit. They wouldn’t want to miss a days work because the worn out lock fails

 

[grahamparker]

2 hours ago, Count Muppet said:

a nice new lockset would save them from future problems. 

 

Better still just fit new discs in each lock. Cheap enough to come by, I still have a few original ones left when I assembled the local dealers kits for them.