Lee Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Read this topic & particularly this reply http://www.shoerepairer.info/bb3/viewto ... 844#p55845 I found this topic by doing a google for "id45 transponder scrambled" we where 2nd on the list! good luck. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 This has been covered before Gaz, viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7143&p=67919&hilit=id45+problem#p67919 Happened to me once,i had to pay vw to reprogram a customers key,then i found out i could have cured it myself.Luckily they only charged me £30.00 but still a valuable lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Don't you just hate it when you post a response and someone else just beats you to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Interesting how you found a different topic to me, shows its been covered SEVERAL times which tells me the Silca Fast Copy instructions aren't making it clear enough about how long it can take to read a key from it. Not the best machine feedback is it! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 As far as im aware you can regenerate at any time, does'nt have to be straight away and i was lead to believe it is only the id part of the chip you are re creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Interesting how you found a different topic to me, shows its been covered SEVERAL times which tells me the Silca Fast Copy instructions aren't making it clear enough about how long it can take to read a key from it.Not the best machine feedback is it! Lee It depends on how you search the forum, i searched for id45 and then looked for the thread as i had posted on it before. I think all machines are capable of damaging the id 42 and 45 if you remove the key to soon during the reading phase in fact im sure there is a menu for it on the zedbull machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 This is a common fault on most cloning tools. We even had it in the beginning, but solved it. When you read an id45 key, with most devices you must push the cancel button after you have finished reading the key. This closes the transponder back up and allows you to copy the key. On our classes we always tell people that after reading an id45 transponder to push the red X button on any device before moving on. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I've emailed several people this morning to get all the info on the various machines & how to do the id45 if this happens so we can put together an "emergency tutorial" so we all know where to look for the answer if it ever happens to us! If any members have specific instructions for the machine they are using, or experience can you PM or email me with it. Many thanks Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I have been out to 2 x pug 206 ID45 when a key cutting shop has read the customers key and corrupted the key data. i personnaly believe that any cloning machine is capable of this. firstly if the key is read without reading from the machines start point and secondly if the key is moved / taken out of the machine during the reading stage. I read on an earlier thread that the keys pincode can be read by the machines special function pin read and the key then programmed back in, on both occasions i dealt with these the pin on the key had been corrupted and both were remotes which meant if programmed back in with the correct pin or a seperate chip in the remote was swapped for a virgin one the car would start but the remotes central locking function would never work again. Both cases required new remotes and both key cutting shops denied responsability. no names mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keydoctor Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 Get the key back, do the regen and job is done. The guy quoting £300 must be smoking some funny smelling fags as a New key would cost a 3rd of that supplied and programmed. There's a big case of trying it on here. Challenge him to take it via trading standards, you'll find he has less legs to stand on than a slug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 Agree with keydoctor. Take your machine to the garage where the car is,regen id45 and away you go. Don't be dishartened by this we all learn and become more experianced from problems like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 This guy is having you on. Dont pay it, as every body has said take your rw4 down and regen it and then get them to recode it, before doing the regen see if you can read the pin code off the back of the transponder to save £25.00. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 what a ball-ache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 surely silca are liable for the cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 surely silca are liable for the cost? HUH!! Why would Silca be liable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Im sorry mate but once the customer took it to a third party and not the dealer as arranged you should be freed from resolving the matter. end of worry! tell the customer you have no idea as to what this third party has done to the car and as such you wash your hands of the matter. unless they take the car to the main dealer as requested by you(and your insurers ) your hands are tied carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completelocks Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 personally, if a new key wont programme in, then I'd want to say that its no longer your problem. If it did then you could have offered to pay for it as a good will thing. But, a new key wont programme, then the problem lies with the car, not with the key you tried to clone? Thats what I'd be inclined to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windycity Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 thats along time to be without your car. bit of a mare by the sounds of things good luck gaz. i know if i did not have my car for this long i would be looking to recover the hire costs that i would have incurred. transponders seem to have become a bit of amine field, mmm maybe this side of the trade should left to the auto locksmiths. but nice earner for the suppliers of these machines and all the blanks, chips and upgrades that go with them. whats your average stock holding for all things transponder? no offense intended gaz as i'm sure you followed the correct procedure and its just a bad luck situation or bender the truth customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completelocks Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 no offense intended gaz as i'm sure you followed the correct procedure and its just a bad luck situation or bender the truth customer. Once the owner got someone else to 'mess' with the car, after being told to take it to the main dealer, he (te owner0 took the problem into his own hands, as someone else posted above. Correct procedure or not, it's no longer his problem i think PS. Not saying you didnt follow proper procedure there mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 contact your local trading standards,they are there to help everyone,give them the facts and see what they say,i had a similar thing with an Armani watch this year and the customer got her marching orders from trading standards as i had done everything by the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Agree with Derek,contact trading standards to see where you stand.They are there to help you as well as the customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 this sort of spare key job is a nightmare unless you have checked and seen the original key working , customers do sadly tell lies in the hope of saving a few quid. it is possible that an electric or obd fault exists that prevents comms for a new key to be programmed , but as the old key was already programmed , it worked ok , if this is the case then the electrical or obd plug fault would need tracing before comms could be established to program a key , dont assume the garage has the kit to check this ,as so many use chinese clones of dealer tools. it would have been worth grabbing a local auto lockey to check this for you , as normally cheaper than recovery and dealer costs . its all hindsight sadly. however , as soon as the unagreed third party plugged in to the car and read the key , it moved the onus to him and the customer , the fact that a new key wouldnt program , doesnt mean the old key wasnt working before, as above , but certainly throws enough doubt into the equation , to make it impossible to tell beyond doubt whether , the key was or wasnt working and the customer lied , whether you created the problem , or the new garage caused a bigger problem , it all centers around whether the customer told truth in first place. id say you are in your rights to draw a line under it as the car was not dealt with by the dealer as agreed . bloody french cars . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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