traditional cobblers Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 as ive just started up on my own ,17years previous ,approached by johnsons yesterday regarding do there contract shoe repaires , have anyone else been approached ,just wondering ,that theres only a timpsons & johnsons in staustell the johnsons is a very buissy shop & at the moment there taking in a lot of wk ,so i thort ,better jump on the waggen , just wondering whats anyones thorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 I did contract work for an independant about 15 miles away about 6 or 7 years ago.It lasted about 3 years and he paid me about 26k a year after a 30% discount.This helped me have a shop refit and a computerised engraving machine which I wouldn't have been able to afford without that extra work.It may be hard work and long hours at the time but it will be worth it. I'm now taking that extra 26k+ without the extra work thanks to the investment opportunity that extra money gave me. GO FOR IT!! You've got nothing to lose and all to gain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traditional cobblers Posted September 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 I did contract work for an independant about 15 miles away about 6 or 7 years ago.It lasted about 3 years and he paid me about 26k a year after a 30% discount.This helped me have a shop refit and a computerised engraving machine which I wouldn't have been able to afford without that extra work.It may be hard work and long hours at the time but it will be worth it.I'm now taking that extra 26k+ without the extra work thanks to the investment opportunity that extra money gave me. GO FOR IT!! You've got nothing to lose and all to gain thats what i thort bud extra cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dude Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 johnsons will want 40% off your list price, the have a loyalty scheme which gives regular customers 20% off and they will want the other 20% for themselves, make sure you up your prices to cover the big discount you give them, i told them to get knotted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Me too, Help them to take my customers of me then I do the work for less money and then they pass the quality work off as theres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Ask them if they'll give you the same deal on your new dry cleaning agency... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dude Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 being fair the girl who approached me was the shop manager and it was her area manager that was being a bitch over the %age, i tried to explain that i would give them 25% off my shop list and they could make any price they wanted, the A/M was having none of it and the local manager was a bit embarrassed. but.... if there is keys they don't have (quite a few) she sends them round to us and if someone wants their shoes quicker than they can manage she sends them round as well, i'll drop her a box of sweeties round next time i'm in ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Yep, always try to find a positive, rather than a negative..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Am92 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Just had Johnsons a/m ring me offering me the chance of taking over the agency for their shop round the corner from me. I was offered 50% on their list price. I said that would fine as long as their prices were double mine. After six months of another repairer 20 miles away had had enough and packed it in. Then half an hour later the am came in to see me. Very nice guy we had a good chat about the competition between them and another national chain. Alas he was unable to persuade me to part with my profit. Some might say something is better than nothing, but I take the view you don't work for nothing and only on your own terms. Why make someone else more money than you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I would have thought that if everyone refused to work with them, they would stop taking in repairs and the customers would come straight to you, then you get all the profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I would have thought that if everyone refused to work with them, they would stop taking in repairs and the customers would come straight to you, then you get all the profit It would'nt work like that. They would just send them off to the head repairers (no names). I would say to anyone who are offered repairs to take them. If you don't someone else will get them.I do them at my trade price (which is higher than my shop price) less 30%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Am92 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 30% off list price is not the same as what comes off the profit for the job. Once costs are removed how much of a chunk of the profits does that initial 30% leave? All my other agency work I give them 10% and they add a little to list to cover their costs I certainly wouldn't give my skill away cheaply so a national company can look good to its customers through your hard work and skill. I put my energy into expanding my own customer base not someone eles. Cost of job £30. Minus 37% costs =£11.10. profit = £18.90 agency fee =£15(50%) £3.90 left. I passed on their excellent offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 We where offered agency work for Johnson. Didn't take it up why should my reputation build there business. Also i'm sure they are only doing it as a agency until they build a big enough customer base and will then drop you and get there own machines in etc.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 The people that I have spoke to at johnsons say they are not busy anyway, no-one wants to leave their shoes for a week so they often tell them to take them to the local cobbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I respect your opinions guys and it will probably be a flash in a pan like the keys were, but I've have done about £500 of work for them in the last 4 months after discount. Would the customers have come too me? I don't know? Would Johnsons have gone to the other independant in the town? I don't know. I'll take it while it lasts thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 i agree with graham on this .i do some work for a company and give them a 35% dicount on there list price and still make a good profit from it , working out your costs the way some of you have is the wrong way of working ,for instance if you have a few hours aweek where you have no work then you could do there work for material costs only as you will still be paying yourself and your rent and ratesif you do it or not and you may as well get somthing rather then nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Am92 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Doing work at such a large discout is counter productive. It means your own business is subsidising that of a much larger concern in the case of johnsons. I'd rather twiddle my thumbs that work at cost. Time spent building their business up is less time on your own. Fine if your happy to do it but I certaintlly woudnt. Yes you might make a profit on the work but at what cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I would rather be doing some work for some profit rather than sitting on my arse twiddling my thumbs doing nothing, but then I'm old school and not a lazy sod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I would rather be doing some work for some profit rather than sitting on my arse twiddling my thumbs doing nothing, but then I'm old school and not a lazy sod. There shouldn't be any reason to be sitting around doing nothing, There is always something tobe done or customers to chase up. If you are sitting around there must be something wrong. I aint got time to take work at less profit than I get from my customers that walk thru the door. If I had nothing todo I would be making sure the shop is upto standard window display is nice and fresh and of course promoting my company and thats just to start with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I never sit around doing nothing Danny. I'm still at work now. I have more than enough to do thanks but never say no to a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I would rather be doing some work for some profit rather than sitting on my arse twiddling my thumbs doing nothing, but then I'm old school and not a lazy sod. What he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I never sit around doing nothing Danny. I'm still at work now. I have more than enough to do thanks but never say no to a bit more. Yep i'm still working, So don't need to take work in for less profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Whatever..............yawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Ooooo just given my computer a blow job to clear out all the shite and applied some fresh thermal paste to the CPU in an attempt to cure the overhaet problems. Seems better. \:D/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Am92 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Its not a case of being a lazy sod as you put it, its how you value your time and skill. For you to do work for an agency whoever they are and they're making more profit out of the job than yourself just doesn't make business sense. If the profits were high fair enough,but iyou only get good profit on list price. That's why I said you would be subsidising agency work through the profit from your own customers. I work many a long night getting my austomers shoes ready and ageny work who only get 10% but definetly would not give away my time away so cheaply however much spare time I had(which I don't have) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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