Simes Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Help!! Updated to WIndows 10 and now the Cyclone won't open on PC software! It just says: "Printer Selected Is Not Valid". Any guru's out there able to help? Really need to get it up and running ASAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Updating Windows is never a good idea until you know for certain all your machinery will work with it. I would suggest a backup first then delete the driver and re-install this may sort the problem out, disconnect the machine while doing this and re-connect after driver installation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Updating Windows is never a good idea until you know for certain all your machinery will work with it. I would suggest a backup first then delete the driver and re-install this may sort the problem out, disconnect the machine while doing this and re-connect after driver installation. Which is why a rang every software company in advance! So annoyed as it's cost me more in the last 12 hours than it would cost to buy Windows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Thanks. I have uninstalled the software and reinstalled and despite being told it was compatible it Microsoft are saying it's incompatible. Anyone out there running Cyclone on Windows 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 tried it couldn't get it to work so went back to windows 7 for the ad900 craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Rolled back to previous windows 8 which it worked on and still no joy😩 Same error. Need to create some Id46 chips for a lost key on a Peugeot 207. Wondering if anyone has logic I can write in stand alone. Is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Stock Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Sounds stupid but have you tried Compatibility Mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted July 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Tried everything mate. Will speak to advanced keys on Monday. Put it on a windows 7 machine in the meantime. Nightmare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Need to create some Id46 chips for a lost key on a Peugeot 207. Wondering if anyone has logic? Interesting statement... What transponders are you planning to create these on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Not teasing. Just wondering what additional data Simon is putting on PCF7936A and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted August 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Ok...Here is why.. On the Cyclone under Philips Crypto 2 Transponder Generator you can generate transponders. Peugeot, Citreon, Renault, Vauxhal, BMW etc, etc. All using PCF7936. Therefore, logic tells me that a blank PCF7936 transponder needs to be generated with the correct logic for a Peugeot 207 (probably using the 307 option as that is the only one listed). That said I think in true Terry style you are hinting that actually for the 207 such logic isn't needed and a blank PCF7936 will do the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CkeyS Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Stock Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 I thought the whole point of this forum was to help! and not try and measure dick size. If you want a pat on the back why not try Facebook Broms Cobb, Simes, grahamparker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Well said Lock Stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted August 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Personally, I prefer not to practice getting it wrong on someone else's car. I was stuck! I had a broken down laptop, a customer with no keys for their car and you think that's the time to experiment?! By coming on the forum asking questions I was doing my research and checking my own assumptions! I was asking people that might know. Is that not what research is? I suppose I could spend hours pouring over the Internet trying to find an answer from someone else or reading a book in some drawn out fashion? It's all the same thing isn't it? By the way I wasn't asking anyone else to do the research, just to share if they knew. If they do know but don't want to share that's fine too. But if that's the case why not just keep a lid on it! Of course when you already know everything there is to know and were fortunate enough to be born with that knowledge it's provably tricky to get your ready around the concept. Neal Southern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I thought the whole point of this forum was to help! and not try and measure dick size. If you want a pat on the back why not try Facebook Firstly I do give help, I have a small penis and I try not to frequent such childish sites as Facebook or Twitter. And I don't take kindly to pats on the back. Well said Lock Stock. Your opinion Graham... I prefer not to practice getting it wrong... Of course when you already know everything there is to know and were fortunate enough to be born with that knowledge it's provably tricky to get your ready around the concept. What I would say is practice makes perfect. Regarding my questions to Simon, these were made weeks after the topic start date, so not really relevant help to job at that time. Simon, what makes you think I already know everything, I definitely was not born with the knowledge, it's something that needs to be learned over time, and I still have much learning to do in the future. Warren has explained my comments very well... That said I think in true Terry style you are hinting that actually for the 207 such logic isn't needed and a blank PCF7936 will do the job? To give the answer that seems to be elusive to most is a simple one. On PSA vehicles just use a raw PCF7936A and code it in, That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Firstly I do give help, I have a small penis and I try not to frequent such childish sites as Facebook or Twitter. And I don't take kindly to pats on the back. Your opinion Graham... What I would say is practice makes perfect. Regarding my questions to Simon, these were made weeks after the topic start date, so not really relevant help to job at that time. Simon, what makes you think I already know everything, I definitely was not born with the knowledge, it's something that needs to be learned over time, and I still have much learning to do in the future. Warren has explained my comments very well... To give the answer that seems to be elusive to most is a simple one. On PSA vehicles just use a raw PCF7936A and code it in, That's it. Thanks a Terry, my comments were aimed at Warren not you My problem is that I don't have sufficient knowledge of the way transponder logic works. I suggest that I am probably not in the minority. However, I am either not clever enough or don't know where to look to research that additional learning other than going on a course somewhere. I am puzzled as to why a 307 requires additional preparation to the transponder compared to a 207. That is what I am really trying to get my head around. I would welcome any suggestions of publications or websites where I can do that extra learning for myself Auto Key Wizard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 My comment was in reference to the cryptic post that Locksafe made about Terry being a tease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Davis Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 The type of response you get to a question generally depends on the level of the question asked, what sort of replies would asking for a key ID when posting an image of a 1A get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 The type of response you get to a question generally depends on the level of the question asked, what sort of replies would asking for a key ID when posting an image of a 1A get? U5D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I don't have sufficient knowledge of the way transponder logic works. I don't know where to look other than going on a course. Answer to the first one is I am not 100% sure either, but I understand that some applications require certain data modifications to allow successful coding. To tell you the truth I am self-taught, I have never done a course, not been on any auto locksmith training (unlike many auto guys of the time) I met Mike Byham owner of MB Locks at an MLA exhibition a few years back, He knew of me and was interested where I was trained, that was an good conversation. I am mechanical minded, so have no issues (for instance) disassembling/reassembling locks. I am not too bad with computer based items either considering my age. But I have spent many years reading/studying and gaining knowledge from it. Some may think it sad, but when I do eeprom work, and the job is finished, I will gaze at the dump file to locate PIN and key data of which the software program did in an instant, for me it's 'a want to know', because I'm interested in what I do. I am puzzled as to why a 307 requires additional preparation to the transponder compared to a 207. I'm puzzled too, as I have been using raw/blank PCF7936A transponders on all PSA vehicles that use them for over 12 years. Simon, try a test, read the transponder raw, then read after modifying it, what is the differences you see? Code in the transponder, then read the changes. I would welcome any suggestions of publications or websites where I can do that extra learning for myself Some reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_car_key http://www.datasheetspdf.com/PDF/PCF7936AS/762288/1 http://www.datasheetspdf.com/PDF/PCF7946AT/609011/1 MarkD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted August 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I knew you were talking to me. I wasn't on about you particularly, you do seem to be getting better with your knowledge. Transponders are easy mate, if you have a machine that displays all the pages just start reading them. Read a blank T5 (if you can) then read a PCF7930, what's the difference? Read a PCF7936A before and after coding. Read an ID60 and ID63 and compare, can 1 be turned into another? What is the difference between the 2 types of ID33? How do ID40 differ depending on manufacturer? Why do Ford & Mazda use the same 8C but not Proton? The way I got to learn about transponder pages was when I dropped my bins in the van and they all got mixed up. I could send you a care package with transponders in different numbered envelopes, when you have worked out what each one is, send them on to someone else. When a few people have had a go then post the results on here. Now that would be a great exercise. That is a helpful and useful suggestion I can use. 😊👠Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 So more reading Simon... https://www.usenix.org/sites/default/files/conference/protected-files/sec15_slides_verdult.pdf While some people in our industry read books, newspapers, play video games, others spend hours and read/study this stuff... I personally find Tango one of the best tools where transponders are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simes Posted August 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Now we're talking Thanks for the posts, all bookmarked ready for reading. When I get a quiet spell later today. Your assistance is appreciated . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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