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Updating Windows is never a good idea until you know for certain all your machinery will work with it.

 

I would suggest a backup first then delete the driver and re-install this may sort the problem out, disconnect the machine while doing this

and re-connect after driver installation.

Which is why a rang every software company in advance!  So annoyed as it's cost me more in the last 12 hours than it would cost to buy Windows!

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Rolled back to previous windows 8 which it worked on and still no joy😩 Same error. Need to create some Id46 chips for a lost key on a Peugeot 207. Wondering if anyone has logic I can write in stand alone. Is that possible?

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Ok...Here is why..

 

On the Cyclone under Philips Crypto 2 Transponder Generator you can generate transponders.  Peugeot, Citreon, Renault, Vauxhal, BMW etc, etc.  All using PCF7936.  Therefore, logic tells me that a blank PCF7936 transponder needs to be generated with the correct logic for a Peugeot 207 (probably using the 307 option as that is the only one listed).

 

That said I think in true Terry style you are hinting that actually for the 207 such logic isn't needed and a blank PCF7936 will do the job?   :smt102

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Personally, I prefer not to practice getting it wrong on someone else's car. I was stuck! I had a broken down laptop, a customer with no keys for their car and you think that's the time to experiment?! By coming on the forum asking questions I was doing my research and checking my own assumptions! I was asking people that might know. Is that not what research is? I suppose I could spend hours pouring over the Internet trying to find an answer from someone else or reading a book in some drawn out fashion? It's all the same thing isn't it? By the way I wasn't asking anyone else to do the research, just to share if they knew. If they do know but don't want to share that's fine too. But if that's the case why not just keep a lid on it!

 

Of course when you already know everything there is to know and were fortunate enough to be born with that knowledge it's provably tricky to get your ready around the concept.

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I thought the whole point of this forum was to help! and not try and measure dick size.

 

If you want a pat on the back why not try Facebook 

Firstly I do give help, I have a small penis and I try not to frequent such childish sites as Facebook or Twitter.

And I don't take kindly to pats on the back.

 

Well said Lock Stock.

Your opinion Graham...

 

I prefer not to practice getting it wrong...

 

Of course when you already know everything there is to know and were fortunate enough to be born with that knowledge it's provably tricky to get your ready around the concept.

What I would say is practice makes perfect.

Regarding my questions to Simon, these were made weeks after the topic start date, so not really relevant help to job at that time.

 

Simon, what makes you think I already know everything, I definitely was not born with the knowledge, it's something that needs to be learned over time, and I still have much learning to do in the future.

 

Warren has explained my comments very well...

 

 

That said I think in true Terry style you are hinting that actually for the 207 such logic isn't needed and a blank PCF7936 will do the job?   :smt102

To give the answer that seems to be elusive to most is a simple one.

On PSA vehicles just use a raw PCF7936A and code it in, That's it.

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Firstly I do give help, I have a small penis and I try not to frequent such childish sites as Facebook or Twitter.

And I don't take kindly to pats on the back.

 

 

Your opinion Graham...

 

 

What I would say is practice makes perfect.

Regarding my questions to Simon, these were made weeks after the topic start date, so not really relevant help to job at that time.

 

Simon, what makes you think I already know everything, I definitely was not born with the knowledge, it's something that needs to be learned over time, and I still have much learning to do in the future.

 

Warren has explained my comments very well...

 

 

To give the answer that seems to be elusive to most is a simple one.

On PSA vehicles just use a raw PCF7936A and code it in, That's it.

Thanks a Terry, my comments were aimed at Warren not you My problem is that I don't have sufficient knowledge of the way transponder logic works. I suggest that I am probably not in the minority. However, I am either not clever enough or don't know where to look to research that additional learning other than going on a course somewhere. I am puzzled as to why a 307 requires additional preparation to the transponder compared to a 207. That is what I am really trying to get my head around. I would welcome any suggestions of publications or websites where I can do that extra learning for myself

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I don't have sufficient knowledge of the way transponder logic works.

I don't know where to look other than going on a course.

 

  Answer to the first one is I am not 100% sure either, but I understand that some applications require certain data modifications to allow successful coding.

 

  To tell you the truth I am self-taught, I have never done a course, not been on any auto locksmith training (unlike many auto guys of the time) I met Mike Byham owner of MB Locks at an MLA exhibition a few years back, He knew of me and was interested where I was trained, that was an good conversation.

I am mechanical minded, so have no issues (for instance) disassembling/reassembling locks.

I am not too bad with computer based items either considering my age.

But I have spent many years reading/studying and gaining knowledge from it.

Some may think it sad, but when I do eeprom work, and the job is finished, I will gaze at the dump file to locate PIN and key data of which the software program did in an instant, for me it's 'a want to know', because I'm interested in what I do.

 

I am puzzled as to why a 307 requires additional preparation to the transponder compared to a 207.

I'm puzzled too, as I have been using raw/blank PCF7936A transponders on all PSA vehicles that use them for over 12 years.

 

Simon, try a test, read the transponder raw, then read after modifying it, what is the differences you see?

Code in the transponder, then read the changes.

 

I would welcome any suggestions of publications or websites where I can do that extra learning for myself

Some reading

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_car_key

http://www.datasheetspdf.com/PDF/PCF7936AS/762288/1

http://www.datasheetspdf.com/PDF/PCF7946AT/609011/1

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I knew you were talking to me. I wasn't on about you particularly, you do seem to be getting better with your knowledge.

Transponders are easy mate, if you have a machine that displays all the pages just start reading them.

Read a blank T5 (if you can) then read a PCF7930, what's the difference?

Read a PCF7936A before and after coding.

Read an ID60 and ID63 and compare, can 1 be turned into another?

What is the difference between the 2 types of ID33?

How do ID40 differ depending on manufacturer?

Why do Ford & Mazda use the same 8C but not Proton?

The way I got to learn about transponder pages was when I dropped my bins in the van and they all got mixed up.

I could send you a care package with transponders in different numbered envelopes, when you have worked out what each one is, send them on to someone else. When a few people have had a go then post the results on here.

Now that would be a great exercise. That is a helpful and useful suggestion I can use. 😊👍

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So more reading Simon...

 

https://www.usenix.org/sites/default/files/conference/protected-files/sec15_slides_verdult.pdf

 

While some people in our industry read books, newspapers, play video games, others spend hours and read/study this stuff...

 

I personally find Tango one of the best tools where transponders are concerned.

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