chrisorros Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Problems programming a id46 chip. Doing the initial copy, cycling 5 times, placing the original in, then the copy chip, the original again, then the copy……..then getting to the host has cut the connection. This has happen 3 times today. I seem to get this problem at least twice a month. Only running on one server as one is down again. It’s getting to a point that I’m loosing sales, time & patients for this service. I can’t call anyone as it’s the weekend & to be honest unless you’re speaking to Mark at Hickleys they’re no help. Am I the only one with this problem with Hickleys? Is it only the Zed-bull having these problems or is the service just as great with the Zed-full? Can anyone recommend a reliable cloning machine? Shawn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Had the same problems with my zedbull but after the introduction of the silca gti chip my zedbull is just sat on the bench gathering dust. Silca RW4 all the way for me, especially for cloning ID46 never had a failure yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Problems programming a id46 chip. Doing the initial copy, cycling 5 times, placing the original in, then the copy chip, the original again, then the copy……..then getting to the host has cut the connection. This has happen 3 times today. I seem to get this problem at least twice a month. Only running on one server as one is down again. It’s getting to a point that I’m loosing sales, time & patients for this service. I can’t call anyone as it’s the weekend & to be honest unless you’re speaking to Mark at Hickleys they’re no help. Am I the only one with this problem with Hickleys? Is it only the Zed-bull having these problems or is the service just as great with the Zed-full? Can anyone recommend a reliable cloning machine? Same problem here, reported this some time ago, server often goes down costing us a lot of money now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Southern Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 At £9.00 + I am not sure I see the point of a GTI transponder. Also seems very large and I can see that being a problem too. I am not saying it isn't a good chip, or that the RW4 isn't good at what it does. Miraclone can clone anything that RW4 can, if not more. It can clone ID46 onto carbon chips which are close to half the price of a TPX4 or a GTI. It can clone onto all TPX if you want (excluding the TPX5), it can clone 8C like everyone else except you can actually get 8C chips for Miraclone. It can clone certain ID48 and that range will probably incease very soon. They also have a carbon 4C/4D cloning chip which is well priced compared to TPX chips and the ADX is simply a better chip. There are 2 online cloning servers in different countries and in the last 3 years I know of one occasion they were both out of action for a few hours. If you still have any doubts if its any good just ask Gary. Anyway you know who to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Luckily i don't pay any where near £9 for a GTI chip. But it DOES NOT require any internet connection which is the major plus for me and i have owned one ever since it's release and i admit the MH heads caused major problems, i have had none with the GTI. If i didn't own a couple of cloners already then i would certainly give the miraclone a close look, but i'm sure most would like a machine that doesn't require the internet to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 i must admit i do like the rw4 plus with snoop , that snoop tool is a great bit of kit and speeds job up . At the end of the day any machine is good that gives you the coverage you need and a quick payback and into profit , even the poor old zedbull , despite using the obd functions far more than the cloning on it and the fact its been overlooked and fallen behind to their new toy on obd coverage , its still one of the machines that has given me the best payback and still used daily , when it does eventually get put aside it will have been an excellent investment . it really comes down to what machine best suits your needs , pocket and market , one things for sure , we are pretty spoilt for good cloners as all have advantages over next and all lag behind on something another has , thus good old fashioned research to find the one that suits you best . i prefer stand alone options , but i guess if shop based with good broadband it doesnt matter if on a reliable server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhuish Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Dear Chrisorros I'm sorry you have had problems yesterday with the Zedbull server, I have emailed IEA to advise them, they do work weekends so hopefully it is now corrected. As you say they do have 2 servers but the volume of Zedbull users and the unreliable services in Turkey can sometimes be a problem. I know it is extra cost but you could consider a standalone box for TPX4 then you would not need the Internet connection to do ID46. The benefit of cloners like Zedbull, ZedFULL and miraclone is they us a variety of low cost transponders instead of forcing you to use high cost heads or chips and I don't understand why Martin says its fallen behind when it clones everything the others do even 8C and some ID48, granted it doesn't do the 1997 - 2003 VW recently released but nor does any of the others except 884. The Zedbull is still a good tool and clones to a variety of low cost transponders and let's face it, if you are forced to pay £1 more for each transponder head for your cloning machine that's one hell of an expense cloning machine over its 10-15 year life. The Zedbull is still sold and supported with new sales, spares and software and whilst the Eeprm & OBD is unlikely to be enhanced as a Cloner it does nearly everything. To answer your question on the ZedFULL, no it doesn't now suffer the same Internet problems because like Miraclone there is now a quantity of servers in different countries, they are also newer and more reliable. i'm not saying it will never happen but it is much more unlikely. Again I'm sorry for the problems you have faced recently. Robin Huish chrisorros and hibsjo(SCO) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Robin to clarify my comment on it falling behind and being overlooked for zedfull , i was not refering to its cloning functions but to the obd functions that i mostly use having fallen behind as its these i use most on it , maybe should have been clearer as not refering to its cloning . As i have always said on its obd coverage , what it does it does very well indeed and ive always raved about these , just a shame the manner in which it all stopped and that black period which followed , which was and still is my main reason for not upgrading to the zedfull , but this doesnt stop me holding my zedbull and obd leads in high regard still. Warren , i agree theres alot of chinese machines about and some using very cheap chips and plenty willing to invest in these products and they will always make users of oem kit less competative , its no different with the obd kits theres plenty stocking up with these and offering lost key jobs at pin money too , this has been the case for a long while now and its not about to change any time soon . sadly thats the times we now find ourselves in and so we evolve . There is however a huge difference with oem kit like zedbull , the support when the kit goes wrong is good and this is one area iea and hickleys cant be faulted on as ive experienced 1st hand , which is something clone users dont get from china , Hickleys , Lockdecoders , matt at silca etc are all renowned for the back up and support they give , which adds significant value to any purchase or should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simong Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 just to put a spanner in the works , I cloned a id46 with abrites yesterday it took 30 min and on the last bit failed 5 times but did go through. Also can U use the original jma tph box on the zed full or is it there chinease copy only . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Cloning will probably be back on the rise now there is that new keyline machine on the market. At the price it's sold I would expect more people to take the risk and buy one. I have seen a few people rating it's bigger brother quite highly, including Lee I think at one point. Lee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinhuish Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Hi Yes you can use a JMA TPH box or a genuine ZedFULL box but you will need to buy a ZedFULL special cable ZEDZFH-C01 @ £50 + vat. Not sure about a Chinese copy but I won't recommend it, ZedFULL's are expensive to repair if damaged. Robin Huish Hickleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 All the mainstream cloners are good , all offer something that the others dont and all have their fans and critics , stand alone will always be better than online as internet and servers although rarer these days still get issues from time to time but these issues are rare these days if you have a good internet connection but as mobile this isnt always possible for me so stand alone is my preference , it again comes down to coverage need and budget , if doing alot of 4d and id46 cloning then stand alone makes sense . i would never say one machine is better than the other as our opinions and needs will differ , chip costs for some are more relevent , just as coverage and other functions will be what sways others , the important thing with any investment in kit is to make it pay as long as it pays its a wise investment no matter what its cost initially. i can forgive abrites for not being the best cloner as cloning isnt what i bought it and use it for , a dedicated cloner will always be a better choice for cloning , stand alone or via internet . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamine16 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I know Chinese hardware is frowned upon, but I just bought a handheld id46 cloner that did the job in about 1 min, with no Internet connection needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 The way the Chinese economy is heading the fake kit they are flogging will soon be dearer than the genuine article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repodave Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 And fails to do what it says on the tin ,far to often .... for the top price paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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