ironplanet uk900 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Can you repair genuine moccasins without stitching them on properly. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Do you mean blake them on? I would always stitch them on. The sides are to soft and would just peel away from the sole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 A moccasin shoe, no mock welt, no insole, just the leather sock type upper (this is a genuine moccasin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Simple answer yes. Advisable no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Simple answer yes.Advisable no. Yes/No =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 A well secured fibre board insole gives a better chance of the sole staying put as long as the insole goes to the pattern of the outsole (or vice versa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 A well secured fibre board insole gives a better chance of the sole staying put as long as the insole goes to the pattern of the outsole (or vice versa). I totally agree Hugh: BUT, then the shoes are no longer Mocassins, and would feel very different to the customers feet. So, is it possible to achieve a professional job without blaking them on. I think not. carry on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I agree, they would look ok without the insole but the sole would not stay on. Having said that, I have a pair of grey moccs that are 20 years old and glued together, toes just started to lift but the glue used must be something the repair trade can not get hold of. Many moccs though including my own go rather baggy after some considerable wear, perhaps the inclusion of an insole in this case may benefit the customer. Only a good technician at the scene can make the correct decision. Dont think I would attempt to just glue my mocc soles on when I come to replace them. Even when blaked on there is always going to be the customer who coplains that the edges of the sole are coming away up to the groove. Got over this one by getting the groove as near to the edge as possible, but this can have the effect of pulling the upper down to the sole a tad and making the shoe a bit tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Yup, not many get the groove in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 What you need is a carbide adjustable groover tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 What you need is a carbide adjustable groover tool and a Blake.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 You mean you don't stitch a moccasin by hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 You mean you don't groove by hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 You mean you don't stitch a moccasin by hand You mean you don't groove by hand? Can do both \:D/ but you wouldn't dig a hole with ya hands if you had a spade would ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Some on here would, as they would think they were ripping themselves off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 My groover was a "Hassall" one same as the carbide but less viscious. (still got my fingers, but almost lost a Thumb with the carbide one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 you CANNOT attach a leather sole properly to a moccassin without stitching through the insole it has to be stitched on not stuck! stop wasting your time and your customers and Hugh you should know better than to humour the idea it can be done. carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 hibsjo(SCO) » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:54 pm you CANNOT attach a leather sole properly to a moccassin without stitching through the insole it has to be stitched on not stuck! sorry hibs, you can!!we occaisionally get them in here - someone has repaired them - just stuck on... then they come off, and we stitch them. - but some 'heel bar turkeys' do stick em... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 but some 'heel bar turkeys' do stick em...[/b] sniggeralot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 My groover was a "Hassall" one same as the carbide but less viscious. (still got my fingers, but almost lost a Thumb with the carbide one. The 'Hassall' groover you refer to is NOT the same as the one shown, this is a relatively new design with a lot more teeth. It doesn't grab so easily and is much, much easier to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Very pleased to hear of the new safety aspect, the old one used to give me the jitters. Instructing new comers how to go round the shoe with it had me almost closing my eyes. I got around the problem by holding a file to the cutter and taking the edge off it, this defeats the object of tungsten though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Here's a picture of our current groover blade and the old ' Power' type. Our new one is more efficient, less grabbing, less burning, safer and much quicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 keith, this cutter looks like it will cut alot deeper?? is it interchangable with the power type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 keith, this cutter looks like it will cut alot deeper?? is it interchangable with the power type? ...and is it still adjustable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 It does cut deeper, by 1mm , the stitching will last longer and can be retro fitted to 'Power' machines at a price. We would have to make a new bayonet to take our groover type as the fixing is the reverse of the Power type. Mind you, it's worth it as they last longer too so over time save you money PM me if you want details. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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