Silca Futura v Keyline ninja total .

[lock&quay]

Has anyone one had both machines I'll probably look at the top of either range . looking  for coments  on either machine .I'd mainly be doing dimple keys , Avocet , Multi lock ,Ultion  etc  

[Azaloid]

Have you had a look at the JMA MULTICODE NXT 

 

[lock&quay]

7 hours ago, Azaloid said:

Have you had a look at the JMA MULTICODE NXT 

 

I've had JMA  stuff in the past & the  back up was worse than useless .

[grahamparker]

18 hours ago, lock&quay said:

I've had JMA  stuff in the past & the  back up was worse than useless .

Heard others say the same as well.

[da miller]

type of keys you want to cut buy the best manual machine avail and the cheapest computer one

i speak from working with these keys unless u are doing on line

[grahamparker]

14 hours ago, da miller said:

 the cheapest computer one

Pay cheap, Pay twice.

If your serious about cutting keys then buy the best you can afford not the cheapest it will cost you more in the long run.

[S K C]

You would need permission from BRISANT if you want to do theirs to code. But I have the Ninja Total and it is a great machine for doing dimple keys. 

[almeriasecure]

We have both machines and our first choice is the Keyline Ninja.

I purchased the Futura first then the Ninja about four years later.

Had we purchased the Ninja first we would not have purchased the Silca.

I believe, from what I have been told, the only thing made in Italy is the Made in Italy sticker.

Silca are normally the best in the business but have goofed with the Futura.

If you could afford it I would recommend the Triax.

[da miller]

I SAID BY THE BEST MANUAL MACHINES AVAILABLE NOT THE CHEAPEST

and then cheapest computer machine after 40 odd years of cutting keys to the public

i have FUTURA COMP , CITYLOCK  RST tilt clamps  silca first edition(bought in 1984)

all set to copy the type of keys that he named very cost efective to start with

futura was for car keys when i bought it other wise i would have bought something else,

at half the price  90% OF CUSTOMERS HAVE THE KEY WHEN THEY COME IN TO THE SHOP

SO I DON,T HAVE TO READ AND COPY and most times quicker to copy.  as you agreed with me before

when we discussed buying clamps for futura a few years ago ,and i did say unless he was offering on line

service  

 

 

 

 

[grahamparker]

I meant the most expensive computer machine not manual.

My Unocode 399 has just clocked over 100,000 keys cut and never had an issue.

[rapidlocks]

machines like unocode , triax and viper were made to last a lifetime , machines like futura are not the same build quality and wont last the time these do 

[da miller]

these machines were bought buy us after years of copying manually

and creating a turnover that aloud us to invest in ourselves

and a greater knowlege of keys that leave most others behind

had we used computers to start with i dought  we would be where we are

[lock&quay]

On 1/8/2024 at 5:39 PM, almeriasecure said:

We have both machines and our first choice is the Keyline Ninja.

I purchased the Futura first then the Ninja about four years later.

Had we purchased the Ninja first we would not have purchased the Silca.

I believe, from what I have been told, the only thing made in Italy is the Made in Italy sticker.

Silca are normally the best in the business but have goofed with the Futura.

If you could afford it I would recommend the Triax.

How old is your Futura , The unlimited  one is going for less than the  Keyline at the moment. 

[lock&quay]

On 1/9/2024 at 2:37 PM, rapidlocks said:

machines like unocode , triax and viper were made to last a lifetime , machines like futura are not the same build quality and wont last the time these do 

I love my Viper , I might look at the triax .

[almeriasecure]

19 hours ago, lock&quay said:

How old is your Futura , The unlimited  one is going for less than the  Keyline at the moment. 

I think my Futura is about 8 years old.

As for the Unlimited updates for life do not mean much if Silca decide not to support the model.

[Technical Tony Davenport]

Have a look at this " Ninja Training course " to give you a general understanding of the machine 

hopefully this is of help , thanks . 

 

https://courses.keylineacademy.com/courses/ninja-total

 

 

 

 

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[rob g]

I can’t knock keyline,great back up,always someone to answer questions and give advice,well built little unit

[S K C]

I agree with Rob, My only trouble is remembering everything (age thing.Lol). Otherwise the Ninja is a brilliant machine, but should I need any help whatsoever I pick the phone up and ring Tony Wilkin , always very helpful. Davenport.

[exp121260]

There are few second hands for sale online on ebay ect 

What to look for when buying a second hand Ninja Total please ? 

i.e  software updates, Jaws, Cutters , No of keys cut, age of the machine ect. 

[lock&quay]

Ref the Futura  , How accurate is it at decoding & copying the   Avocet ABS ( concentric pin  ) keys ?

[grahamparker]

If you buy new you can ofset your tax liability by 25%.

[lock&quay]

57 minutes ago, grahamparker said:

If you buy new you can ofset your tax liability by 25%.

The  biggest reason why I'm looking at buying some stuff is because I have a pension that's  kicked in & I'd rather invest than give it to the tax man . How accurate  is it at decoding the Avocet I'm wondering ?

[lock&quay]

On 1/8/2024 at 5:39 PM, almeriasecure said:

We have both machines and our first choice is the Keyline Ninja.

I purchased the Futura first then the Ninja about four years later.

Had we purchased the Ninja first we would not have purchased the Silca.

I believe, from what I have been told, the only thing made in Italy is the Made in Italy sticker.

Silca are normally the best in the business but have goofed with the Futura.

If you could afford it I would recommend the Triax.

Which one is more accurate at decoding the Avocet / Ultion keys ?

[grahamparker]

My Silca Triax pro is superb but never used a Futura so cannot compare.

Never touched a keyline machine so no idea.

[almeriasecure]

1 hour ago, grahamparker said:

My Silca Triax pro is superb but never used a Futura so cannot compare.

Never touched a keyline machine so no idea.

You dont know what you are missing Graham.

you get a quicker response from DB website.

 

We decode Avocet on the Ninja and the as we have the jaws for Brisant we use the Futura for WXM.

If you decode WXM keys and the do not work then use corrections to cut deeper.