abababa Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 10/8/2021 at 8:48 AM, Onisan2000 said: The TDF1 was indeed the only pure, standalone Paxton copier on the market for two and a half years but this year another player entered the market so the original inventor of the TDF1 wrote a software based backup, copying, creating lost tokens from shadow cards, etc system. It’s good to have competition though. Better for the end user. Hi Onisan... Can you point us in the right direction of the more cost effective one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the locksmith Posted October 12, 2021 Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 About iCopy-X - iCopy-X: World's best RFID Card Cloning Device Do not know enough about cards but was sent this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted October 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2021 You can buy currently from the UK distributor https://www.icopyx.co.uk but it doesn’t copy Paxton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rax Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Several people seem interested - at least asking for info on cheaper options, which there doesn't seem to be any sign of! So maybe there is a bit of a market afterall. Would anyone be interested in being a beta tester? It would need to be someone who actually deals with Paxton locks enough to actually test it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted October 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Anyone interested in a computer based Paxton Copier can contact me at www.icopyx.co.uk. Pricing is £350 and includes 5 tokens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rax Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 I can see why you wanted to put me off selling one for £150 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted October 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 I said it was good to have competition so market away The TDF1 was the original and at the time ‘Only’ Paxton copier. I then bought out the ETD1 computer based HF copier. Both available through distributors. I then bought out the icopy-xs UK specific firmware to copy all the fobs the Smartcard Deluxe copies and the ETD1 copies plus more. Unfortunately we couldn’t get the antennas to work across both these technologies and the Paxton so I’ve bought out a computer based Paxton Backup token system that can also copy the tokens as well as save details of tokens, shadow cards, function cards to a database. Oh and create lost tokens from shadow cards, lost shadow cards from tokens etc… 9 minutes ago, rax said: I can see why you wanted to put me off selling one for £150 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rax Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Onisan2000 said: Unfortunately we couldn’t get the antennas to work across both these technologies and the Paxton rfid antennas are a pain in the backside, especially when dealing with fobs. I have never yet got a clean read of a paxton fob on my proxmark, with stock or custom antennas. 10 minutes ago, Onisan2000 said: Oh and create lost tokens from shadow cards, lost shadow cards from tokens etc… Or make an enrollment card or bar all users card from a user token! Don't think I'll leave that in the version I ship though - too much potential for abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Near me a lot of stuff is getting replaced with the fobs pictured. The Smart Card Deluxe won't do it neither does the ETD1. The iCopy XS reads it as DESFIRE however does not offer an option to copy it. Do either of you professionals forsee an update for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Right now the Mifare Desfire has not been cracked so there is nothing on the market that can copy the PAC Desfire Grey token. you are out of luck. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 Who would be the most reasonably priced to buy the Paxton fobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 you have to buy them is sets 25/50/100 etc with a shadow g=card and an erollment card- very difficult to add to a system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted November 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 17 hours ago, mathews said: Who would be the most reasonably priced to buy the Paxton fobs? Do you mean original Paxton Fobs or the ones you can write to with the TDF 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 I'm talking about the ones that work with the TDF 1 which are originals anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rax Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Original tags fetch about £20-25 for a box of 10 on eBay, and you can use these as 'blanks' to clone on to. Does the TDF1 tie you to using their tags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted November 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Yes it does. you cannot use Paxton tokens bought off eBay, they won’t work. there TDF1 tokens are specific for writing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 But the fobs that are sold as working with the TDF1 are original fobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rax Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, mathews said: But the fobs that are sold as working with the TDF1 are original fobs I assume they just write some specific bit of data to a genuine tag and the device checks for that. That way you have to buy their special tags, which presumably are more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisan2000 Posted November 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Exactly rax, The thing is, it took two years to break the encryption for Paxton. Hundreds of man hours and this needs to be recouped. you guys can now copy a fob you couldn’t before and now make a little bit more money. Hopefully you get the outlay back and it’s worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathews Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Thanks for clearing that up as I was slightly confused and that is very helpful. I will pm you when I need some stock. Are you working on a DESFIRE break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rax Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Onisan2000 said: The thing is, it took two years to break the encryption for Paxton. Hundreds of man hours and this needs to be recouped. I can understand, and it's pretty common practice to tie people in to buying specific consumables with patents, technical measures, etc. (or failing that try to convince them their consumables are better than the alternatives "always use genuine Yale keys"). Luckily it only took me 2 days to work out how to clone them so not a lot of effort to recoup, and I'm not interested in getting in to retailing blanks, so there are no restrictions in my tool - can use unmodified Paxton fobs straight off eBay. TimSmall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 Does anyone know where the TDF1 Fobs can be purchased from in bulk? I know there are a few places that sell them online but they want £7.50 per fob,. I'm guessing these come from China but am struggling to find a direct supplier, I've looked on Dhgate but without success. I Purchased a P1 cloner thinking the normal paxton fobs would be good to copy but I was wrong as they are coded differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted February 16, 2024 Report Share Posted February 16, 2024 Can you copy a green band fob onto a blue band fob ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted February 16, 2024 Report Share Posted February 16, 2024 What machine you using? carry on! x minit uk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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