Piper Aircraft Key

[dixie]

Can anytone help with a key for a Piper Light Aircraft. Took enquiry over the phone, so not seen the key, but it has Piper stamped on the bow head and PA219 on the blade.

[Phil Morland]

I cant trace keyblank from number but we have cut Piper aircraft keys before and they were on JMA BS1I blanks. Hope that helps,

 

Phil.

 

(edited by Phil to list correct key blank)

[Gray]

http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Aircraf ... 81283.aspx

 

Possibly Silca HD1 or HD2

[StevenB]

Can't you get him to park outside so you can try various blanks in the lock?

[dixie]

Thanks for your suggestions, just got to leave the landing light on.

[Satiusreesadimus]

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[Mark Davis]

how do you get a key out of a lock when its in the open positon unless its designed that way?

[dixie]

Thanks chaps, Silca HD1 (Hudson) it was.

[Mick Friend]

Mark

Aircraft have two circuits for most things There are two magneto's for the engine one left and one right the plane can fly on either or as is common both, Most aircraft engines are rotary so magneto's do each half.

 

The badly cut or incorrect key not making contact with the rotary cam at the rear of the ignition switch could well leave that circuit live. Maybe cut on one of your 'universal' keys could be pulled out without turning. During a walk around you need the main power switch on to test instruments such as the Pitot and stall warning - if the ignition was alive as well as you turn the porp to see if all the surfaces are clean and smooth with no dinks it could well start. ever seen a prop washed haircut?

 

I had a close shave when my aircraft battery was flat and the engineer came over to 'jump start' it but had the leads the wrong way around - It started the engine and doing my pre fight checks noticed serveral anomolies with the instruments - I tried to shut the engine off and it wouldn't stop, Luckily in such an event you shut off the fuel and it stopped, cost the engineer hundreds of pounds to put right. all the avionics were fried.. never felt safe in that aircraft again. so sold it. So think twice before cutting a key for aircraft it should be a proper blank and cut on a properly calibrated machine.

 

You can't pull over to the next cloud and phone in a complaint -

[kobblers]

You can't pull over to the next cloud and phone in a complaint -

 

Rick.

[Lee]

In my opinion the flying worlds pre-flight checks list should have been re-written after that accident. If it happens again aviation only has itself to blame.

 

Lee

[Mick Friend]

with 10,000 aircraft in privare ownership it's not that easy. Far better for knobends to keep their hands off aviation products

[Satiusreesadimus]

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[grahamparker]

with 10,000 aircraft in privare ownership it's not that easy. Far better for knobends to keep their hands off aviation products

 

 

Mick,although i respect your knowledge i have to answer your statement.

 

Maybe they should fit better quality locks that make it impossible to remove the key from the ignition instead of the rubbish they use.

 

No matter what blank or how it is cut it should NOT be possible to leave an ignition on with the key removed.

 

So i disagree with the statement calling us knobends for cutting keys for aircraft.As i live only 15 miles from Humberside airport and have

cut hundreds of keys for aircraft without a single issue so far i think the blame needs to be attatched to the aircraft manufacturers.

[dixie]

So, first pilot or engineer does the safety check leaves ignition on and throttle on full. Second pilot takes over plane, fails to carry out his pre-flight checks properly and causes this accident.

 

Logical mans conclusion - Errors by both pilot & engineer.

 

Micks conclusion - Key cutters a knobend.

 

[Mick Friend]

if you didnt use the correct blank YES - if you cut down a universal to fit YES

 

I have seen aircraft with bodged keys, I too lived near a private airfield and I too had keys come in - for Piper I had blanks sent over from the states. I once saw a canopy come undone during the take of run, aborted safely - a numpty had been called to fit a new lock - he used an inapproriate spare part from a filing cabinet.

 

A pilot would expect the key to work, especially if they are novice or its a hire aircraft, there would be no indication that one magneto was on it does not have an ignition light.

 

My point with an engineer, is even they as licensed engineers can get it wrong and it's the pilot and his passenger that die.

 

I lost two mates to accidents - none key related -