Forest Cobbler Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 The Boss would like to have a moan if that's ok, (but his typing's not too fast so he's asked me to do it for him). "We use Renia Colle de Cologne for bonding PVC and thermal rubbers which works very well all the while the glue is fresh out of the tin. But when it starts to thicken up a bit it's pretty much impossible to use. Renia say on the tin to only thin it down with their own special solvent, but none of our suppliers stock it. We get fobbed of with all sorts of other solvents, (some of which even state on the tin that they are not to be used with PVC adhesive), and Renia Desohl is a stripper, it's not thinners, it does NOT do the same job! We have only managed to get the right product once, and the difference was immediately obvious. I don't understand why the wholesalers stock an adhesive that is so effective on thermal rubbers, but do not stock the correct thinners. We end up throwing loads of it away, because after a few days the glue in the pot is just too thick to use." Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I use Renia Multi Colle & normally add (Renia) thinners when the glue pot is about half empty, to keep it nice & runny. I get the thinners from Marshall Coppin who keep it as a stock item. I do also have a tin of De Sohl, but rarely use it. Give them a call & I'm sure they'll be able to help. 0208 524 1018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Cobbler Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Hi, We asked the Marshall Coppin rep when he was here the other day, and he said that they no longer stock it because they only sold three tins in the past year. He even phoned the warehouse to check. Sorry. V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 have you tried the tek no 1 thinners for all contact adhesives from c birch as i think you will find its made by renia for birchs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerbas Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I know Algeos keep Renia thinners give them a call. A tip though and I may teaching yer grannie to suck eggs. Make sure the lid and rim of the glue pot are both clean of glue, making a good seal to keep glue last longer, also tilt your pot when not in use. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 so did you here about the scotsman who tried to teach his granny how to suck eggs it is sometimes the obvious which is missed and sometimes need to be stated/remembered. =D> have a moan thats what the sight is here for. ask for help thats what we are here for got a problem please share it. the "solution" to your problem will be found carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Klazykobbler Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I keep my thermal glue in a smaller glue pot than me rubber soloution. seems to stay fresh longer. also when i buy it i dont buy the 5ltr drums just the little 1ltr? ones this helps reduce my waste. just food for thought i reckon klazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damen.rudi Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hello, here a possible answer of the mainland. Normal rubber glues are based on a solvent solution while normal pvc-glues are based on aceton. So try to put a little bit of aceton in your pot and see what happens. Neoprene glues, so used to glue rubber and leather can be get smoothier with solvent. When my solution doesn't work at all there is an alternative. Get your stuff out of Belgium, Colman Leder in Kruibeke is the supplier of Renia for Belgium or even easer do a mail to Mr. Buchholz of Renia itself. The adress is info@renia.com. I'm sure he'll give you a proper answer. Greetings, Rudi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 This seems to be a classic and typical case in our Trade, shoe repairers in this case, not being properly informed of the products that they might find useful. I'm afraid it falls squarely upon the Manufacturing Company and it's stockists to inform the trade of their products to have any hope of selling more than 3 tins a year If the end user is unaware of the product, why would he buy it no matter how useful it appears to be! Surely, if your rep knows that you buy the glue, shouldn't he be telling you about the associated products and up-selling? Bang the drum I say, bang the drum, and if you guy's want it, tell the reps!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Cobbler Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Thanks for all your replies. Elfman, yes I have tried Tek 1, but I'm not convinced. How can one type of thinners be suitable for all types of contact adhesive? Gingerbas, this particular granny learnt to suck eggs over thirty years ago, sorry. Pots are kept clean, and always tilted back when not in use. But we will look at Algeos. Not happy about having to open yet another account and having to pay carriage though, when we should be able to get it from the people who sell us the adhesive in the first place. Krazykobbler, all the while the glue is in the tin, whether it 1 or 5 litres it's fine. It's only when it's been in the glue pot for a couple of days that the problems develop. Rudi, I think we might well contact Renia direct, if only to ask them if Burch's claim on the Tek 1 tin is accurate. Keith, I've been asking all the reps every time they come in, but it doesn't seem to have been having any effect. That is really the main reason that I decided to ask all of you about it, just to find out if you were equally as frustrated by this as I am. Thanks, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Well there is clearly an issue and the wholesalers need to look at this themselves. It is plain that some of you feel let down by this situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just spoken to my rep, Kev from Marshal Coppin, and he has confirmed (after speaking to the office) that they no longer keep the Renia thinners. The explanation as to why is as follows: "Marshall Coppin keep 2 different brands of neoprene thinners in stock, Balls & Renia. Following problems sourcing the Renia thinners at the end of 2010, it was decided that having sold 193 (1 litre) tins of Balls & 22 tins of Renia in a 12 month period, that it didn't make sense to keep 2 different products on the shelf that both do the same thing. For that reason, the Renia thinners will no longer be held as a stock item" So there we are, from the horses mouth, as it were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Cobbler Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Thanks Steven, but it's not neoprene thinners that's the issue here, it's PVC and thermal rubber thinners for Colle de Cologne that we need. V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Oddly, Kev referred to it as neoprene thinners - I wasn't aware that it was such, it's the 'Schnellkleber Verdunner' thinners that I was referring to that I use with multi colle, which also says Colle de Cologne on the tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Surely there are Data sheets available for these products, which should give advice on usage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Anybody speak German? Renia PDC.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 It should be available in English if the item is sold in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Anybody speak German? [attachment=0]Renia PDC.pdf[/attachment] Run it through babelfish and you get the following RAW MATERIAL BASIS solvent mixture, APPLICATION: To diluting all Renia quick glues. Likewise to cleaning order devices, brushes etc. suitably. In the case of machine order of quick glues the viscosity with quick glue solvent can be adjusted optimally. After thorough stirring a phase separation is not to be feared. POT LIFE: No change with diluted adhesives VENTILATION TIME: No change with diluted adhesives Pressing power: not applicably. PRODUCT BEHAVIOR: Strongly penetrating solvent with good mixture behavior STABILITY IN STORAGE: for an unlimited period with 20 °C DILUTE: Not applicably CLEANING not applicably MARKING flash point: under 21 °C, easily inflammatory, environmentaldangerously injurious to health after GGVSE: Class 3 group of packings: II designation: entzündbarer liquid substance, n.a.g. (ethyl acetate) special arrangement: 640D after IMDG: 3.2, after UN: 1993 MFAG boards: 311, 330 after Ems: F-E, S-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Surely there are Data sheets available for these products, which should give advice on usage Anybody speak German? [attachment=0]Renia PDC.pdf[/attachment] No But I sure speak English & the datasheets have been on this very website since 25th Sept 2008, might not be the most up to date info, but its a start (scroll to the last product, which is Renia Schnellkleber - Verdunner) viewtopic.php?f=40&t=3588 Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Cobbler Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yes, that's the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Cobbler Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 We've just had a phone call from Edward Healy and Sons. They stock Renia thinners and have been reading the forum. Another success, thank you all. Valerie Tel: 01709 543335 Fax: 01709 541285 email: info@edwardhealyandsons.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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