Perplexus Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 I've had the August flyer from Charles Birch, which features TRG Shoe Dyes from 'The world's No 1 producer of shoe dyes'! So how come I've never heard of TRG after 35 years in the leather trade? Or . . . is this a rebranding of the Tarrago range? The packaging and typefaces look pretty similar and the TaRraGo fits remarkably well. Could this also explain why T Colledge are selling off their Tarrago stuff at reduced prices to clear the decks for a new range? Any thoughts appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Yes it is Tarrago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Remarkably the colour number is the same on all the range - oh and quite a lot cheaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARRAGO ORIGINAL Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Hi everyone, I am not sure that a COPY of our products, done in eastern countries, can be good. There are already other copies in the market you can maybe grant for even cheaper. But they will not be the TARRAGO quality, for sure. Have a look at the september show, TARRAGO original products will CONTINUE to be there ,as for all these years! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Very interesting Hi everyone, I am not sure that a COPY of our products, done in eastern countries, can be good. There are already other copies in the market you can maybe grant for even cheaper. But they will not be the TARRAGO quality, for sure. Have a look at the september show, TARRAGO original products will CONTINUE to be there ,as for all these years! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 The plot thickens Peter Especially as the flyer does state 'The world's No 1 producer of shoe dyes' I always thought it was Tarrago Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 words dont always mean much, worlds no 1 isnt easily provable but the worlds biggest you could prove. may be just advert talk? Tarrago are saying that this isnt their product or are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perplexus Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 On the face of it, the implication seems to be that Charles Birch are selling a cheap look-alike of Tarrago products, without actually mentioning the Tarrago name. I've always been very impressed by the quality of Tarrago dyes and creams, so if Tarrago are saying that this product is not theirs, I'll think I'll avoid it until we get a definitive answer. If it's the only range that CB are going to stock, then I'll be buying elsewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 an you put up a picture of the product & then TARRAGO ORIGINAL can confirm if this is their product or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perplexus Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Pics from the Birch flyer . . . perhaps CB would like to comment on this matter . . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Hello Everyone I have read with interest the various correspondence regarding our new range of TRG dyes and the TRG brand generally. TRG is a new brand created by a company founded in January of this year in Barcelona called TRG Bestnets,SL. The proprietor of this company is Senor Joaquim Tarrago whose great grandfather started to make dyes shortly after the second world war. The company that he helped to expand massively in the last decade was taken over in an aggressive bid by the French company Sapphyr last year. Sapphyr continue to distribute the Tarrago brand of products. Mark Jackson and I visited the Wiesbaden Fair in the Spring and one of our objectives was to source a good range of shoe colour dyes to replace the Dylon Shoe Colour range that had been discontinued and the range of colours now unavailable from Lady Esquire. With Punch Leather and Suede Dye also recently discontinued, we felt that the shoe repairer also deserved a choice rather than us selling only the Dylon brand. We met Joaquim who had assembled a full display of products in only three months of production. However as he is a chemical engineer by profession, he has assured us that his new formulations are even better than the ones he put into the Tarrago brand, and he has worked hard to make the packaging clear and modern. Personally I think the packaging is completely different to Tarrago, and as he can no longer trade with his own family name, TRG is a reasonable compromise. There is clearly no attempt to pass this new brand off as Tarrago or imitate the old brand, it is simply a new brand in the dyes market. Joaquim, who is probably one of the nicest chaps I know, will be on our stand at Doncaster where I am sure he will be very pleased to answer any further questions personally. In the meantime I would be pleased to give any of you a free sample of the product for you to test the quality - please quote "CW" on your order. Regards Chris Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 It's always nice to see a supplier have the balls to come on & give a definitive answer! =D> =D> =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 It's also nice to get a bit of back ground on a new product, an interesting read & one which I'm sure will fuel interest in the new brand. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 It's always nice to see a supplier have the balls to come on & give a definitive answer! =D> =D> =D> I agree =D> =D> =D> =D> Rep didnt offer me a free sample Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 No but Chris did! \:D/ Try before you buy, you can't get any fairer than that. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Nice one Chris We ordered some last week Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have some questions 1.. Will TRG dyes only be availiable through Birches and if so why? 2 ..Will the original Tarrago Dye still be available from Colledges and if not why? 3 ..How different is the TRG dye from the Tarrago dye if anything and not just the obvious packaging. 4.. Does Senor Joaquim Tarrago still have any interest in the Tarrago Brand 5.. Who else other than Colledges were able to sell the Tarrago Brand did they have sole rights and is this why the name has been changed to enable others to wholesale the product 6.. Am I sceptical, ..you bet I am. and 7... Anyone else want to speak their mind? No but Chris did! \:D/ Try before you buy, you can't get any fairer than that. Lee Cant see the point if you already use Tarrago products Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARRAGO ORIGINAL Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Please have a look at http://www.tarrago.com/anglfl/frempa.htm, you will have a short video about the TARRAGO company, and also a short description about our origins. TARRAGO Brands exist since 1940. There is no Senor Tarrago having any interest in the Productos Tarrago Companies nor the TARRAGO Brands. TARRAGO continues, like always, to be produced in Manresa, SPAIN. Our sole distributor in UK is and continues to be COLLEDGE & Sons. ORIGINAL TARRAGO COLOR DYE and all the other products from our TARRAGO ranges will of course continue to be available at Colledge & Sons. Productos TARRAGO has no secondary brands. We ONLY produce TARRAGO products. Whatever copies or simple packaging imitations are not ours. I hope I answered to all your questions as required, and I could clear some doubts. In any case, we appreciate there is concurrence, we will just continue to do high quality products as we have always done. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Thank you for your reply. I have now and have always had complete faith in Tarrago products and if what you say is true (time will tell, just me being sceptical again) will continue to purchase them from COLLEDGE & Sons and will not accept substitutes. I dare say Messers Birch & Co have had to come up with something so as not to loose out. Hence TRG. I could be wrong, but i doubt it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perplexus Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 It's good to see that Chris Wilson has come on board to put the TRG side of this story. Perhaps the CB flyer should have made it clear that this is a new brand. I may well take up the offer of a free sample, just to give it a try. In response to Tarrago's endorsement of T Colledge as their only UK distributor, can they explain why the range of colours available in the renovating shoe creams has been steadily dwindling? I wanted to order Black, Red and White, and found that all three have been deleted from Colledge's website. These are best-selling colours (in our shop, at least), and it's pretty frustrating to have to search around for alternative products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Dear All Just by way of confirmation (and in answer to RIJ's questions) I am pleased to confirm that I agree with all the points made by the company Tarrago. I am pleased for RIJ to test the TRG product and compare it to the Tarrago brand and report his findings, positive or otherwise on the Forum. There is no need for sceptism it is a new product launch offering more choice to Birch customers - simple as that. Yes TRG is exclusive to Birch. It is normal when spending a lot of money on marketing a new range to ensure that one's competition can't "piggy back" on board; in the same way Tarrago and Benchmark brands are excusive to Birch's competitors. See you all in Doncaster or, better still at the cycle event around the UK and in Rutland. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lee. Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Great Dyes , just used some today , and a big pat on the back to however designed the Colour Chart , the pre -punched holes enable you to offer the chart up to the item you want to match and get the correct colour , which are actually a good match to what is in the jar . Well Done TRG , hope Chris has a big box of charts at the show ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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