Gray Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Johnsons Cleaners 2 doors away from me are now cutting keys. The greedy just get greedier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 according to their web site they do keys & shoes in selected stores, so watch out for a finisher being delivered next Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Johnsons Cleaners 2 doors away from me are now cutting keys. :( The greedy just get greedier. Not good , If I remember isn't our friendly Timpo now on the board for Johnsons. I hope you are now doing dry cleaning RJL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I can do socks in the sink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Well if they did that next to me, I would be offering the same services as them but better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodave Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 i didnt think johnsons and timpsons were on friendly terms but i guess people just sacrifice their principles and greed just takes over when you get to their level. i think the only way you can beat johnsons quickly is to offer dry cleaning cheaper than them i would source a dry cleaner to come and collect the work and then just charge your customer the same dont earn any money out of them, id then phone the boss of johnsons and explain to him that you will continue to take money off him until they stop doing keys. if they dont backdown pay for a full spread ad (cost 200 quid max) in your local newspaper also ask the paper to run a little competition and get them to put an ad on their front page, they should do this for nothing as you are offering their readers a prize the prize could be 50 quid on dry cleaning remember to push the rest of your services, johnsons will not want to get into a fight with an independant and as soon as you go well below their price they should backdown if they still dont withdraw pay someone to stand outside their shop with a sandwich board advertising half price dry cleaning and making sure everyone knows your independant this bit is the only way you can beat these big companies that have forgotten what its like to be human then again if timpsons are involved you got nothing really to worry about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I think you will find the key cutting has nothing to do with timpsons. i believe it is something johnsons are doing in conjunction with one of their suppliers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Any idea who their suppliers might be Peter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lee. Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 As far as i an aware when mr "T" inherited Sketchleys after the takeover of Mr Minit ( who had taken over Sketchleys) the buisness was reorganised and Johnsons aquired the Dry Cleaning side , leaving mr "T" with the photo processing side and Shoe Repairs.As part of this deal i am pretty certain that some sort of agreement was made that Johnsons would not do Keys and Shoes , and mr "T" would not do cleaning , now think that this agreement has ran its time , hence Johnsons branching out back into Keys and Shoes, am also pretty certain that mr "T" is pushing more into the Cleaning side as well. Also here from our local "Max" shop that following the takeover by mr "T" they too will soon be doing Keys and probalbly engraving too , where will it all end !. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Any idea who their suppliers might be Peter? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted September 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Had a chat with the Johnsons manager this evening on the way home. Went like this thats me speech in marks! "Alright mate" yeah not bad. "Your firm going to pinch anymore of my business" What do you mean the keys? "Yes". "Have you cut many?" One! "One?" "One key in a month?" There's a great big book with loads of keys in it's dead hard finding them. "Who supplies you?" Charles Birch. "Really and youv'e only cut one?" Yeah we have had training but it's a pain in the arse, cutting them is easy but it's hard to find them. "Oh really welcome to the real world" I've buggered loads up practicing. "Have you" We send them round the corner to you. " Oh great thanks" Bye So I say to anybody worried about Johnsons cutting keys near you don't worry my key sales are just the same despite my first fears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 If they all start to buy the silca optica suddenly the hard part dissapears. Still you can't train someone thirty years keycutting experience with training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Too true my friend, you get to know your keyboards and you know where most keys are without even looking in a "great big book". people don't want to stand about while some half trained idiot spends 10 mins looking in a "great big book". I sometimes think I should be a bit slower cutting keys so the customer feels like they are getting value for money instead of saying "bloody hell that was quick"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dude Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 can anyone tell me what they are charging for yale, chubb etc in the johnsons outlets?? PM if you don't want to broadcast it thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 £3.99 for cylinder and £4.99 for mortice If they can find them in "great big book" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Oh and they have some deal BOGOF. No BOGO1/2Price Deal going on at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dude Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 cheers for that, i have a johnsons in a sainsburys about 200 yards along the road and they are under cutting me, ie, £3.50 for everything. it's mainly the students and poles etc that will travel from one side of the town to the other to save a penny if they have a bus pass. what is also happening is that if they miscut (sp) a key they don't even try to do it right, it's just here's your money back, they come to me and try to haggle to get a chubb for £3.50, of course i refuse and they think i'm ripping them off and away they go, the next nearest place from me is more expensive and they will be too embarrassed to come back, i got my birch bill in for august this morning, almost £500... next month....£0.00.... i hope it's worth it to them.... anyone recommend a new supplier to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Dav Burg as they also sponsor this forum? Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 If you are after keys then try sks,nw keys,davenports,Aldridges and keyprint. All have good online shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 cheers for that, i have a johnsons in a sainsburys about 200 yards along the road and they are under cutting me, ie, £3.50 for everything. it's mainly the students and poles etc that will travel from one side of the town to the other to save a penny if they have a bus pass. what is also happening is that if they miscut (sp) a key they don't even try to do it right, it's just here's your money back, they come to me and try to haggle to get a chubb for £3.50, of course i refuse and they think i'm ripping them off and away they go, the next nearest place from me is more expensive and they will be too embarrassed to come back, i got my birch bill in for august this morning, almost £500... next month....£0.00.... i hope it's worth it to them.... anyone recommend a new supplier to me.... for keys i find sks the best and shoe materials and everything else like birch i use t colledge their web site ie brill. craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irontoe Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Without wishing to be argumentative (especially with my first post ) isn't it a bit rich for cobblers to be complaining about dry cleaners pinching their business (Key cutting) when they have done exactly the same thing to Jewellers and watchmakers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Argumentative new poster. welcome to the forum Irontoe, opinions is what its all about! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irontoe Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Argumentative new poster. welcome to the forum Irontoe, opinions is what its all about! Lee My wife often complains that I could start an argument in an empty room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think they call that talking to your self? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Welcome Irontoe, as Lee says i'ts opinions We don't have arguments. Enjoy your stay hope it's not a breif one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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