kobblers Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 aldi and lidl bags are cheaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Must say Hughby...I can't believe you said that :-& You should be struck off for that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Take aim, Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Yeah, give him the Bag...I, I, I mean the Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 You are all under the impression that it stops the foot from breathing as a true Goodyear should do!!!!!! Well you guys are repairing them in a fashion that is alien to goodyear manufacturing in that you glue the soles on before you stitch them!!!! A layer of Neoprene adhesive on the shoe and welt.... A layer of neoprene adhesive on the soles!!!!! Then bring them together for an even thicker layer of adhesive!!! Pray tell me O wise ones, since when had a bond ofNeoprene or any other contact adhesive been able to allow the passage of air from the customers foot? Lets us for a moment take it that you use Polyurethane or PVC adhesive instead of Neoprene.......is this not akin to a layer of clingfilm when cured? My bet is that if you put a coat of adhesive on the side of your adhesive container and allowed it to dry for 24 hours that it would be thicker than a disposable carrier back of the type commonly found on your market stalls or in mainstream multiple stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Well you guys are repairing them in a fashion that is alien to goodyear manufacturing in that you glue the soles on before you stitch them!!!!A layer of Neoprene adhesive on the shoe and welt.... A layer of neoprene adhesive on the soles!!!!! Well that would be the wrong way to attach leather soles!! Adhesive should be applied to the welt & waist on the shoe only, & to the outer area of the sole, leaving the middle area clear, This allows the sole to breath & saves on adhesive too. \:D/ Carrier bags my arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest k@lsb Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 A welted quality shoe in my view should be fairly waterproof (showerproof) But heavy rain and walking through puddles for longer periods of time will allow water in. Regular polishing with a good polish will improve them but they will never be watertight. I think the Topic is really about freshly repaired leather soles leaking/aborbing water, which is not good. This is why you need to buy quality products. If they don't come up to standard then send them back. A similar thing has been said about key blanks, you can buy cheap alternatives.....But be prepared for the problems that the cheap products bring, breaking, twisting wrong profiles etc. Thats why I buy from a quality English key blank supplier (Davenport Burgess) And if these Leathers come up to scratch from an English Tannery, I'll be using them aswell.......... lol....................if i wrote crap..in youre opinion. YOU NO IT MAKES NON...SENSE!!...... the customer is saying they did not leak before.so what is youre answer???.....did you get paid to throw the (davenport burgess bit in)lol i suppose thats youre opinion........in my opinion there is no real answer to this question..............its all about how you deal with it with the customer.............buy rubber soles if you wannt to walk round in the rain...................was said to me the other day by a few people they thought this forum has become a laughing stock among some off the other tradesman around..as it seems its just full of _iss tackers nowerdays...oh and yes that is my opinion based on facts, others have said.......................lol lol im just now going to shop in my english chav BURBERRY JUMPER.good day to you all xxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 if i wrote crap.. You just did...was said to me the other day by a few people they thought this forum has become a laughing stock among some off the other tradesman around Really...good day to you all xxxxxxxxxxxx Cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 You are all under the impression that it stops the foot from breathing as a true Goodyear should do!!!!!! Unless I'm mistaken, nobody mentioned this. But being as you have then yes I believe it would prevent the foot from "breathing" through the sole. Well you guys are repairing them in a fashion that is alien to goodyear manufacturing in that you glue the soles on before you stitch them!!!! Well, in terms repairing a shoe to match that of a manufacturer.... When was the last time a shoe was bought to you for it's first repair and you peeled the sole back to find a plastic bag was part of the structure of the goodyear welted shoe? A layer of Neoprene adhesive on the shoe and welt.... A layer of neoprene adhesive on the soles!!!!!Then bring them together for an even thicker layer of adhesive!!! That's completely different. Adhesive is used to bond the sole to the shoe. Unless you are suggesting using a carrier bag will have the same effect?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 I was pointing out that your methods of repair were not allowing the foot to breathe through the sole as was pointed out by the use of plastic film. I was not and am not advocating the use of plastic film in general repair use as this thread now seems to be indicating. Surprising how many can read into a post something that is not there. (not having a dig but generalising). The method was suggested as a fix for a problem shoe that was letting in water where all other methods have failed. By the way, since when has coating the sole in heavy wax such as "Balls" or heavy wax of any description been good for the customer. Seems to me that the customer will have 2 more problems to add to their existing one, namely wax on their carpets and a hospital visit for broken bones or a very sore arse with landing on it so many times. I reiterate... the advice for the waterproofing was for a one off situation where all else fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 lol....................if i wrote crap..in youre opinion. YOU NO IT MAKES NON...SENSE!!...... What a statement, how old are you......... 5 the customer is saying they did not leak before.so what is youre answer???..... If you read my post its obvious to the more inteligent. Use Quality materials and you won't have these problems. did you get paid to throw the (davenport burgess bit in)lol No I didn't, the quality of key blanks was brought up in another post, which created a similar circumstance...Customers complaining about the fact that there keys were breaking,twisting and in some case's the profiles are not accurate, and other members along with myself agreed that Davenport Burgess key blanks were superior to others. i suppose thats youre opinion........in my opinion there is no real answer to this question. The answer is there, but you have to be able to absorb the contents of what your reading .............its all about how you deal with it with the customer.............buy rubber soles if you wannt to walk round in the rain................... And thats your expert way of dealing with your customer.......Unbelievable was said to me the other day by a few people they thought this forum has become a laughing stock among some off the other tradesman around. Well I agree with you there. With posts like yours who wouldn't laugh . as it seems its just full of _iss tackers nowerdays...oh and yes that is my opinion based on facts, Based on facts....Were are the facts. In your thick head I presume. . others have said.......................lol lol im just now going to shop in my english chav BURBERRY JUMPER.good day to you all xxxxxxxxxxxx If we left the forum to you I'm sure it would be much more succesfull......not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Not wanting to go "off topic" I couldn't resist replying to k@lsb here Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 whilst you lot were digging each other i learned something from this post that i never knew in 20 years of shoe repairing but i ain't saying what every cloud.......... gimme the forum with it's banter anyday whilst it's still able to teach me something rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Well said Rick.......what you learnt :-& ................... every cloud.......... .........has a carrier bag lining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Well said Rick.......what you learnt :-& ................... every cloud.......... .........has a carrier bag lining Adhesive should be applied to the welt & waist on the shoe only, & to the outer area of the sole, leaving the middle area clear, This allows the sole to breath & saves on adhesive too. \:D/ How to use adhesive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Out of interest Hugh, did you ever use a carrier bag to waterproof a sole with success or was it something you just came up with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Out of interest Hugh, did you ever use a carrier bag to waterproof a sole with success or was it something you just came up with? Outstanding success Dean but it was a bit thicker than a Carrier Bag, on reflection I think it was a plastic bag that ladies nitrile heel used to come in but at the time of writing I could not think of what I used except that it was a plastic sheet. I have tried it myself on a pair of Loakes Moccasin blaked shoes that were soaking water up like a sponge. Never got the water to come throught the sole area though it did tend to go through the upper when rain was quite heavy. Just lifted the through sole up and inserted the plastic before re-stitching, quite a difficult one that as you could not glue them down unless you left a half inch border round the edge of the upper, I wanted the whole area waterproff so could not use adhesive. With todays modern adhesives it may now be possible. But yes it does work, and what's more the customer does not know what you have done, unless of course you use a Supermarket bag and another repairer gets hold of them Perhaps I should have said plain heavy duty plastic clear film Dean, but its a very long time ago and my memory aint too brilliant. Oh, good poit about the use of adhesive Tel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Well said Rick.......what you learnt :-& ................... every cloud.......... .........has a carrier bag lining bas&%$d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 i learned something from this post that i never knew in 20 years of shoe repairing Com'on Rick, What have you learnt? ....there's no reason to be embarrassed, you're amongst friends here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted July 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I have tried it myself on a pair of Loakes Moccasin blaked shoes that were soaking water up like a sponge. Never got the water to come throught the sole area though it did tend to go through the upper when rain was quite heavy. Just lifted the through sole up and inserted the plastic before re-stitching Surely with a blake stitch your putting holes right through the shoe,so putting plastic as a middle then stitching them back through your stitching holes in the plastic,thus completely defeating the object of the plastic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 If you were using a polyester braid thread Michael, you would be right. But, back in the old days when Hugh was 'working', they used 'waxed' thread which would back fill the holes as it stitched, thus giving a little protection against water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Were they tested in the fish tank? carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 If you were using a polyester braid thread Michael, you would be right. But, back in the old days when Hugh was 'working', they used 'waxed' thread which would back fill the holes as it stitched, thus giving a little protection against water. =D> =D> This is very true, Keith, thats why I asked you about waxed linen threads when I brought my outsoler off you...which by the way is stitching like a dream....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 As expected UK Waxed linen is more relevant to blaking in my opion, but does cause more problems for the operator. Our 'Geneva' thread tends to solve most stitcher problems, along with the correct adjustment of the machine of course Having said that, anyone who buys a pair of Mocs thinking that they will be waterproof is kidding themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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