Danny King Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Just had my second return on these keys where the customer has turned the key so hard it has snapped on the lock. Seems the head on these are so big it is causing problems or is it just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 i've had a disney key back thankfuly it never broke in the lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 No your not on ya own there Danny, These fancy keys are useless!! from a professional point of view. (unless you are using a dedicated profile as in the FunKey range excluding UL types) I've had to replace 3 euro profile cylinders in UPVC doors so far, due too keys breaking/jamming in the locks. The very fact that they are manufactured in brass with a thinner, more open profile (wider milled flutes) lends itself to a weak & inferior key. The main problem with these blanks or any universal profile, is because of their open profile, is how best to clamp them for cutting, if they are clamped on the back edge this could lead to the cut being marginally too shallow or too deep, the same could apply if clamped via the bottom milling/flute. I am now clearing my stocks of these, with an add disclaimer of whether they will perform correctly, I may also off-load them on ebay to get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 i think the head size contributes to the problems where the heads are breaking off too, bigger heads equal bigger amount of torque when turning. i've thought about this recently when cutting them but i'm glad to say we haven't had any back for that reason so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 LOL, there shouldn't be any amount of torque when turning a key that's cut correctly for the lock, if there is any resistance it's not cut exact, The cuts are too shallow allowing the bottom pins to sit proud in the plug, hence binding on the cylinder, if the key actually turns at all, The shape/size of the bow is irrelevant if the key is cut correctly & free turning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rich32 Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 It's just not the cutting of the key which could cause this. It could also be down to a poorly fitted lock or a door which has bowed or needs re-hanging. If the bolt or lock mechanism isn't working correctly or lined up correctly then the key will struggle to turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Just a question - as mentioned before - if these are used with only the correct profile to match and the cuts are 100% spot on - there should not really be any jaming of these keys in the locks ?? I would guess !! So if the keys are snapping is it becuase the sections being copied are not a true match to these keys ! Just thinking aloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted April 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi John, No idea keys where working fine before they broke, God knows what customers do with keys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 If they are anything like me - they will make them work as a tool for the job at the time ! ! ! Eg whatever is needed at the time - but I can not be bothered to open the shed and get the correct tool out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 you misunderstand my post Tel, maybe i should've worded it better; i actually meant there was more risk of snapping if the key was sticking for whatever reason anyway. my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slippy Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Just put a note on my counter. DUE TO A FAULT WE HAVE REMOVED THE DISNEY KEY RANGE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE!. Had to do a 30 mile round trip sat afternoon to remove a broken disney I had cut earlier. So that's a £35 call Plus Shop closed for about 2 hours (inc Travel) which I'm out of pocket . Customer said the key worked fine but came to take it out of the door it just snapped. The problem is the first and second cut. Any deeper than a 3 and the key will snap. Actually you can snap the key even without cutting they are that thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 LOL, there shouldn't be any amount of torque when turning a key I agree entirely. if there is any resistance it's not cut exact, Not true though Tel, the bolt may be fouling the door frame, in which case even a perfect key would expirience resistance. The cuts are too shallow allowing the bottom pins to sit proud in the plug, hence binding on the cylinder, if the key actually turns at all,, which is someting that happens all the time nowadays with the UL1 for everything merchants out there, if a customer come in with a already copied key as a UL1, you have no chioce but to do the same. The shape/size of the bow is irrelevant if the key is cut correctly & free turning. I agree with Tel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 when key manufacturers make these keys is there not a quality control - bsi standard they have to follow? seems to me they can churn out almost any old cra* and get away with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 gorra point there................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 I no longer support the supply of these inferior & gimmicky products, All my stock was returned to the supplying company, Thanks for the credit note Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 I no longer support the supply of these inferior & gimmicky products, All my stock was returned to the supplying company, Thanks for the credit note =D> proper bloke =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I no longer support the supply of these inferior & gimmicky products, All my stock was returned to the supplying company, Thanks for the credit note do you think we should all ask for credit notes, give em all back! it is there cra* anyhow.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I must say I don't have a big issue with them, because I don't use UL1 for all. I have sold only two Elvis keys with the large bow, and haven't had them returned. Its the UL1 merchants that are causing all the problems.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slippy Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Sent mine back Monday. Must admit although I don't use UL1 or UL2, I do use the JMA U5D for the cheap foreign locks with no name on them. I feel steel's alot harder than the brass, Just not good on your blade. Anybody using the UL1/2 and Disney, Try snapping a UL1/2 then snap a Disney key. Will waste £1.75 but will proove my point and may save you a Locksmith call-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Davenport Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Due to faults on current batches, we now have Disney / Elvis keys made to our own UL1 / UL2 profile specifications, resulting in a key blank which is on average 20% stronger than the Spanish variant. Shipment will be with us within 4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Sorry Andy, but you can keep them too I can't be doing with the hassle that goes with these novelty items. Advise Bob not to bring any samples on his next visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Davenport Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 No probs Tel. I'll pass the message on to Bob.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaull22 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 when is davenport and burgess website going to be up and running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 The site is set to launch on June 9th, unfortunately this is not set in stone; as cjm explained, our IT suppliers let us down, causing us a major headache. Apologies to all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 I have to give credit were its due, I've never had an issue with Davenport Burgess's English made blanks, never had any break and the profiles are acurate. However my shoe repair rep is always pounding me with how cheap they are on there chinese blanks, and I have surcome to his sales pitch a few times when its been more convieniant. But have had lots of trouble with them, 16hl, 36m, don't work because the profile isn't correct, UL1's do twist on the ocassion that I have to use them. Cheap chinese blanks are not the way for me. I don't use cheap and nasty shoe repair materials so why use inferior key blank products. Its Davenport Burgess all the way for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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