ironplanet uk900 Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Do you Rivet the waist on your leather soles or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Always.....but not anymore Been trying without riveting since this topic started so will see how it goes. Never really thought of the breaking up of the inside of the shoe because of nailing waist, but makes complete sense Gives a nicer finish,will post some pics when I get time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Ditto what Mike said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Well folks, just to let you know that Cementing the Waists has stood the test of time for over 40 years and I bet you dont know who brought it to the forefront in the 1st place to change lifetime of riveting. (No it wasn't me but you are close). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Well sometimes I do, but only if I really have to which is about 1 in every 25 pair. But who is to say it is wrong, is it a written law, does it really damage the shoe that much, I do not think so. what I have seen. is the welt ripped away from the shoe when it isn't nailed at the waist due a poor graft. It really is each to their own and as long as the customer is happy with the job thats all that matters isn't it. Is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Here's a few pairs I've done recently.... Comments most welcome...always willing to listen and learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Looks a nice job there mate, but I do nail 1/4 rubber due to the dual layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Well folks, just to let you know that Cementing the Waists has stood the test of time for over 40 years and I bet you dont know who brought it to the forefront in the 1st place to change lifetime of riveting. (No it wasn't me but you are close). I don't believe you sometimes You've argued black and blue that riveting was the best way. and that you taught "Us young uns" "U-turndoit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Comments most welcome...always willing to listen and learn Excellent work Michael, Note on last image, A little time spent getting the graft/splice of new sole & old to the same thickness/thinness as the rest & it'll be perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Do you Rivet the waist on your leather soles or not. Could you add a fourth category to the poll I used to till I read this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Your a bugger Mr UK99 with a flake, I was going to use this as next months poll question, now I've got to think of something else Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Hey planetuk900, I never said that riveting was best for customers shoes, just always added a few to my own shoes when I had them half soled, which I dont believe in any more. I was just trying to say that done correctly with the correct nails the damage is very limited, as opposed to the damage done by Iron rivets. Some nice grafts there Micheal and nice finish though I do prefer a natural finish. Just 1 tip, either use a Keg that is not so rough or put very little pressure on the waist when cleaning with a Keg as the consentric marks distract from an otherwise excellent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 don't you pin your heels on at all michael? rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Try to follow original heels and these all happenend not to be pinned. To be honest I was unsure whether to or not but will see how things pan out.If I get any back and I feel they should have been pinned then I will start doing all of them.I dont think any customers are going to say "the original heels weren't nailed so why did you nail these", but...you never know with customers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Some nice grafts there Micheal and nice finish though I do prefer a natural finish. Just 1 tip, either use a Keg that is not so rough or put very little pressure on the waist when cleaning with a Keg as the consentric marks distract from an otherwise excellent job. I had just changed the keg before I did these and tried to take some of the roughness off with the old keg but I think I haven't put it on tight enough as it isn't feeling right,I will check when I get a spare min.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windycity Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 nice work michael how is your shop looking after your refit. its a shame we can only get that bright yellow/orangey bottom finish though, all my soles only get aclear wax finish because i can't stand that colour its nearly as bad as my orange machines....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Shops still looking great thanks,when I can get time to dust and wash the floor it will look better Some days I like the orange look and sometimes the natural wax looks better.Not picked either and stuck with it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain Cheall Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Not being a shoerepairer I am not aware as to why you guys paint that black bit on the waist but I think they look awful in that half moon shape and if I actually owned a pair of leather soled shoes and was getting them done would either ask for it to be painted straight across or preferably not painted at all and would defo prefer the natural look rather than bright orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I think originally the older repairers use to try and hide their doorstep waist joints by painting the halfmoon design over them, and its just carried on from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Not being a shoerepairer I am not aware as to why you guys paint that black bit on the waist but I think they look awful in that half moon shape and if I actually owned a pair of leather soled shoes and was getting them done would either ask for it to be painted straight across or preferably not painted at all and would defo prefer the natural look rather than bright orange Very good to hear the view of a customer Iain your views on this subject mean more than those of the repairers. It is you that we are trying to appease not other repairers and I agree entirely with your views. The half moon was a development from competition repairs when the waists were painted in the shape of spread wings(butterfly). This was brought about because change was needed to get something different to stand out from the norm which was the straight line. At the time it worked so far as we repairers were aware, but after reading Iains post I'm not so sure now. It does or can, hide a multitude of sins and also can come off onto a customers carpet and most paint after the inclusion of a weeks dust looks like snot. A good trial would be to repair a pair of display shoes with one done Natural with no half moon and one stained orange and half mooned and ask the customer which finish they prefer. Getting the customer involved is an important part of customer relations use it. It also give an indication as to what the general public prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Do you Rivet the waist on your leather soles or not. Could you add a fourth category to the poll I used to till I read this topic Have done Tel200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'm wondering if those who put a couple of Tacks at the edges would answer yes. I think in general it refers to rivetting right accross the waist. Can you verify this please as it is a bit unclear in this aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'm wondering if those who put a couple of Tacks at the edges would answer yes. I think in general it refers to rivetting right accross the waist.Can you verify this please as it is a bit unclear in this aspect. Do you rivet across the waist on your leathers I think its clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Looks like the 406 NATURAL stain goes in the bin tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'm wondering if those who put a couple of Tacks at the edges would answer yes. I think in general it refers to rivetting right accross the waist.Can you verify this please as it is a bit unclear in this aspect. Do you rivet across the waist on your leathers I think its clear enough. Shoer iz, must get my eyes changed for a pair that can read the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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