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Do you rivet across the waist on your leathers  

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Always.....but not anymore 8)

 

Been trying without riveting since this topic started so will see how it goes.

Never really thought of the breaking up of the inside of the shoe because of nailing waist, but makes complete sense :idea:

Gives a nicer finish,will post some pics when I get time :D

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Well sometimes I do, but only if I really have to which is about 1 in every 25 pair. But who is to say it is wrong, is it a written law, does it really damage the shoe that much, I do not think so. what I have seen. is the welt ripped away from the shoe when it isn't nailed at the waist due a poor graft. It really is each to their own and as long as the customer is happy with the job thats all that matters isn't it. Is it. :shock:

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Well folks, just to let you know that Cementing the Waists has stood the test of time for over 40 years and I bet you dont know who brought it to the forefront in the 1st place to change lifetime of riveting. (No it wasn't me but you are close). :wink:

 

I don't believe you sometimes :roll: :roll: You've argued black and blue that riveting was the best way. and that you taught "Us young uns" :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

"U-turndoit" :lol: :lol:

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Hey planetuk900, I never said that riveting was best for customers shoes, just always added a few to my own shoes when I had them half soled, which I dont believe in any more. I was just trying to say that done correctly with the correct nails the damage is very limited, as opposed to the damage done by Iron rivets.

 

Some nice grafts there Micheal and nice finish though I do prefer a natural finish. Just 1 tip, either use a Keg that is not so rough or put very little pressure on the waist when cleaning with a Keg as the consentric marks distract from an otherwise excellent job.

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Try to follow original heels and these all happenend not to be pinned.

To be honest I was unsure whether to or not but will see how things pan out.If I get any back and I feel they should have been pinned then I will start doing all of them.I dont think any customers are going to say "the original heels weren't nailed so why did you nail these", but...you never know with customers :? :?

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Some nice grafts there Micheal and nice finish though I do prefer a natural finish. Just 1 tip, either use a Keg that is not so rough or put very little pressure on the waist when cleaning with a Keg as the consentric marks distract from an otherwise excellent job.

 

I had just changed the keg before I did these and tried to take some of the roughness off with the old keg but I think I haven't put it on tight enough as it isn't feeling right,I will check when I get a spare min..

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Guest Iain Cheall

Not being a shoerepairer I am not aware as to why you guys paint that black bit on the waist but I think they look awful in that half moon shape and if I actually owned a pair of leather soled shoes and was getting them done would either ask for it to be painted straight across or preferably not painted at all and would defo prefer the natural look rather than bright orange :D

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Not being a shoerepairer I am not aware as to why you guys paint that black bit on the waist but I think they look awful in that half moon shape and if I actually owned a pair of leather soled shoes and was getting them done would either ask for it to be painted straight across or preferably not painted at all and would defo prefer the natural look rather than bright orange :D

 

Very good to hear the view of a customer Iain your views on this subject mean more than those of the repairers. It is you that we are trying to appease not other repairers and I agree entirely with your views.

 

The half moon was a development from competition repairs when the waists were painted in the shape of spread wings(butterfly). This was brought about because change was needed to get something different to stand out from the norm which was the straight line.

 

At the time it worked so far as we repairers were aware, but after reading Iains post I'm not so sure now.

 

It does or can, hide a multitude of sins and also can come off onto a customers carpet and most paint after the inclusion of a weeks dust looks like snot.

 

A good trial would be to repair a pair of display shoes with one done Natural with no half moon and one stained orange and half mooned and ask the customer which finish they prefer.

Getting the customer involved is an important part of customer relations use it. It also give an indication as to what the general public prefer.

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I'm wondering if those who put a couple of Tacks at the edges would answer yes. I think in general it refers to rivetting right accross the waist.

Can you verify this please as it is a bit unclear in this aspect.

 

Do you rivet across the waist on your leathers

 

I think its clear enough.

 

Shoer iz, must get my eyes changed for a pair that can read the obvious.

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