Mick Friend Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The grooves it's all in the groves - these locate the key in the plug - if one side is not symetrical with the other it will either lift the pins too high or not high enough. The disadvantage of not using genuine keys in many cases. The UAP for instance is a 1A nope its a 1A like but the flutes are slightly different meaning you need a taller blank to cut the key on. If these cylinders are cheaper end of the spectrum they can be broached in a diffent way. Wear also has its problems Ask the customer to withdraw the key a fraction and try if that work the key is undercut (too deep) wiggle it up and down and try - may give a clue as to why Ducks...............................incoming............................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 As Mick has said, but a lack of lubrication can also cause 1 side to work and not the other, when we ask it is nearly always outside that is the problem. Lubrication can always play a big part in the working of euro cylinders and quite often a spray of Kaba lock oil or Abus ps88 can also make a difference if you live anywhere near the coast then salt air can cause a lot of issues with the outside cylinder.I have lost count of the ammount of times i have attended a lock problem that is cured with 1 squirt of lock oil especially when a genuine blank has been used and the key has been cut on the unocode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkamboj Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Once in a while, I come across this problem. This problem happens mainly with the customers who always use remote to open and close the door. Here in Toronto, due to snow, the roads are sprayed with salt and that makes the lock to get stuck some time. Few drops of lube or even WD 40 make the lock and the key work properly. Jas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 WD40 dries tacky and should be avoided at all costs,it was made for water displacement and although it will free things in the short term it is no use at all as a lock lubricant. Try squirting some on a squeeky door hinge, within a month it will be as bad as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 having said that I have used wd40 for 40 years........... it used to dry and leave a silicon coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcap Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 having said that I have used wd40 for 40 years........... it used to dry and leave a silicon coat. Spooky! I am astonished it could do that when it contains NO silicone.... and never has....! ....although there is a new WD40 SpecialistTM range out now that includes a silicone lubricant.... but this is not the same stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Well I'll have my bolox roasted and served with a spicy cabbage - I just threw a tin that I have had for years so I cant comment but I have never had it go sticky - Thats KY jelly others have used to stuff me. Me and hundreds of real locksmiths have used it for 40 years with no problems - the expensive 'lockcleaner' do fik all to lubricate and costabomb - mind you I expect you still use graphite powder both in locks and your silvery toungue ------- Does it actually matter what you use as long as it clears the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 I mentioned WD40 for softening stitcher wax ages ago, I think I got away with it...............................Oh no I remember.....I didn't, I got lambasted by the WD40 is crap brigade...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grahamparker Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 I mentioned WD40 for softening stitcher wax ages ago, I think I got away with it...............................Oh no I remember.....I didn't, I got lambasted by the WD40 is crap brigade...... But it is Crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 It has it's uses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaloti Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Yes, best sprayed on toilet cystens and flat surfaces then lightly wiped off. Makes it impossible to snort cocaine off of it. It turns it to mush. I ran a club way back. Some of the faces coming out of the toilets were a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 A couple of squirts down the intake of a non starting motorbike always got it going (It does...... try it)......It actually works.. It just works.. ...Magical stuff. Gets oil marks offof carpets Softens stitcher wax............Oh already said that..Soz.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 anotherkey i had back is a blank called carl silver key rectangle head, cut her 6 keys 4 worked 3 didn't Use the genuine blanks that are available and you should not have any more problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 4 worked - 3 didn't = 7 WD40 would have fixed that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Just for Mick. The tin man works one out for Dorothy’s aunt… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I wish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 GC117/KBCF from Davenports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Friend Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 I may be a mile out here but I thought Carl F were using the UAP cylinders - leastways last time I was there they had pallet loads of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I've used these Carl F genuine blanks and had probably 3 or 4 out of 10 back that won't go in the lock, same with some Eurospec MP5 genuine blanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 i must say i haven't had a problem with the genuine blanks, but no doubt like everything else there will be faulty blanks about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I've used these Carl F genuine blanks and had probably 3 or 4 out of 10 back that won't go in the lock, same with some Eurospec MP5 genuine blanks. Bizarre, just had a genuine blank back that would not go in on the Carl F blanks as well. Worked ok with a ul054 though. A little worried now as we have done loads of these in the last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windycity Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 carl f 16hl is good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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