Lee Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Can you repair genuine moccasins without stitching them on properly. Carry on. You can repair moccasins withour stitching them on, but to repair them "properly" the blake stitcher was manufactured & I'm happy to say I own one of these machines, so I repair them "properly" Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Can you repair genuine moccasins without stitching them on properly. Carry on. You can repair moccasins withour stitching them on, but to repair them "properly" the blake stitcher was manufactured & I'm happy to say I own one of these machines, so I repair them "properly" Lee Aah, thats what this thread was about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 hahahahahhaa it was a 4th generation bloke that turned it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Yes on both counts. it cuts deeper, but (sorry to offer my unbiased opinion Keith) this is sometimes annoying! great on the "majority" of gents leather soles, but if your stitching a fine leather sole of 8 iron of thinner its a bit too deep. The thickness of most soles used by repairers is around 5-6mm, the depth of the groover is 3mm. I am not aware of any complaints on depth, other than Lee's of course Today I have repaired this “typical†pair of LADIES leather soles. As you can see from the design they have a heavy welt & middling to form the platform, the thickness of the sole is the same as the original at 4mm. In this case my 3mm groover is NOT suitable NO COMPLAINT it just doesn’t do the job as it will leave only 1mm of leather which my stitcher would rip straight through. I had to revert to my now very old 2mm grover which is the correct depth for the task in hand. We have supplied in excess of 400 to the trade worldwide over the last 3 years and it has been very well received However I wonder how many would have purchased a 2mm groover over a 3mm if they had the option with this design? The design is excellent. A 2mm groover will do all the tasks I ask of a groove from a ladies 4mm sole up to & including a gents 6mm. Wear on stitches was NEVER an issue prior to getting the 3mm so this isn’t an issue of consideration for me. But I get jobs on a weekly basis where the newer groover is left annoyingly on the shelve in favour of my old one! If I had the choice of 2 or 3mm I for one would have a 2mm. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 so Lee your not endorsing the NEW 3mm cutter :-& , if a shoerepairer had designed it 2mm would be the correct depth? carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 2.5mm would be ideal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 do you think this design went for consultation before production or have the developers BOOBED ? carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 2.5mm would be ideal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutheshoe Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 tels being pedantic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 We make these groovers in house here in Kettering. If anyone would like a NEW type groover with a 2mm cutting depth, let me know and we will make them for you. Hibsjo, yes we did consult with repairers and we do often ask our customers to test products and offer feedback to us during and after development, some on here can vouch for that As I have already stated, the vast majority do not have an issue with this groover, but, we will always try to accomodate customers where possible Keith Update: One of our engineers has just confirmed the cutting depth of our new groover tool: 2.7mm as against the old size of 'Power' carbide groover tools which is 2.6mm. This would explain why the vast majority have no issues with it If I am guilty of one thing, it is rounding of numbers, acceptable in sales, but NOT in engineering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 =D> carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Funny how the topics can go on the forum! Following some conversations with Keith, Standard produced a narrower 2mm groover & Sent me one to replace mine. 3mm left, 2mm right What a difference! the 3mm one is consigned to history, this new one is FAR superior, the old one was two deep & the tail end used to catch the groove on the way round the toe & spoil the grove (all my own opinion!) Its nice to see that Standard have read the topic, listened & produced an alternative option! =D> I was always disappointed in the last one, but this one I'd replace in a shot. Keith, Standard Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Glad you approve Lee, I'm happy with this option. One correction I will mkae though, is that we have made a 'shallower' groover for you, NOT narrower. the goover is the same thickness as before 'Keith waits for the question, 'so how wide is the cutter then? 1.6mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Just had one.....Good bit of kit although, and this may sound daft, just a little too sharp at the moment,or the bayonet it came on was longer than I am normally used too, be OK when its softened a bit and we get to know each other.... Ring Keith for a special forum price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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