rapidlocks Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 other than tested by me , no , i didnt design it , dont make it and dont sell it , my role is purely testing . in fact if memory serves me right , these were bought as a job lot from a chinese tool manufacturer and sold by other outlets as well under a number of names, and once sold will not be restocked . tradelocks are very new to the locksmith market , and have made a few errors in purchasing, which is why they now develop and release their own tools and tools from manufacturers from around the world. They did bolster their range with alot of tools from china, mainly at the request of customers, but have moved from import to manufacture as this is the only way they can control quality and patents. as stated i appologise to no one for being paid to test and help them with development , its an income stream, its enjoyable and testing tools to pick locks is what i enjoy doing most, so to be paid for this is a bonus, so im happy with my role , im also convinced that tradelocks/uap are a reputable company with the best interests of locksmiths in mind. so im happy and comfortable with my involvement with them , and happy to be associated with them, and i support fully what they are trying to do in developing an affordable and good range of tools and equipment. if that makes me a leper , then so be it , i can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfmad Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Well your name is on it, and you profit from it by testing it, plus surely you wouldnt put your name to something that has been copied. Also as for the lishi picks, every tom dick & harry is selling them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 The only people selling the lishi 2in1 are tradelocks authorised distributors , the only people selling the exclusive additional standard picks are tradelocks authorised distributors , the uk and european distributors are supplied from their uk office and warehouse , the worldwide distributors are supplied by their office and warehouse in china. As patented these tools are sold by no one not authorised and supplied by uap/tradelocks. so if sold by tom , dick or harry , then they will have to be supplied by tradelocks and be authorised distributors of theirs. they do not have sole rights to the old standard picks , and these are still sold by many , these did not form part of the agreement. I doubt very much that a locksmith exists in the uk that would have turned down such a role , especially if a lock manipulation anorak, and im sure very few here or any where else would have turned down such an opportunity and get paid world travel , get paid to pick locks and test new tools and get paid well i admit . In fact id be as bold as to say that very few would turn down such an opportunity , and the use of my name was a small price to pay , to make a good living from doing what you enjoy and seeing the world to boot . But im sure many will say i wouldnt do that , but words are cheap , and almost every locksmith would have jumped at the oppertunity as i did. The difference is , i believe in the uap/tradelocks company and believe their intentions are above board and in the interests of locksmiths as well as making their living , and as stated support them 100% , and will continue to do so . I will enjoy the role i have with them and yes enjoy profiting from this role, and if this is seen as wrong by some then so be it , ive made my bed and will live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfmad Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 No one is going to knock you for what you do, as you say, most locksmiths would love to be able to be the 'crash test dummy' (that sounds wrong but i think you know what i mean) My point being is that you have no qualms about selling the key extractors with your name on (they are cheap & do the job ) but you & others ridicule the guy who uses a copy tool from china because its cheaper. I'm not saying i agree, & to compare the t300 & key extractors is a tad extreme, but you pay your money you take your choice. also at the end of the day if there is a bargain to be had we all want it. God i need a beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 The key extractors were a error they made , and wont be repeating . but as stated i accepted the role and have to accept the knocks that it attracts , and accept that i will be knocked for any mistakes they make, but its a small price to pay . Im fortunate in ive become good friends with their md and many of their staff , and as such am privvy to upcomming developments and their future aspirations , due to this and being well paid to be a crash dummy , i happily accept the knocks as well , its not an ideal world, but as stated i have made my bed and can live with it. If i didnt trust them , and if i didnt believe in them and there future plans i wouldnt be so keen , but i do trust them and agree 100% with the direction that they take, and support them 100% , so will either prosper or fall by the decision i have taken . Tradelocks for their mistakes have done far more positives , they reinvest in the industry , they sponsor major events , they support and invest in many industry projects , they do alot of charitable work , and in my opinion are one of the most ethical suppliers ive met and worked with , look at them again in 6 months and decide for yourself, everyone is entititled to their opinion , i formed mine and jumped in with both feet , and will accept and live with any knocks or critisism this attracts. I believe in them as a company and i believe they are ethical , and as such i have no personal issues with being involved with them. like others ive never been slow to express opinion , and accept the critisisms this attracts . personally i dont feel that they have done any harm to the industry or to any ethical toolmaker, in fact they have had the opposite effect for many through support and investment. As tradelocks are sponsoring the auto convention , subject to his visa , they are bringing mr li the inventor and owner of lishi to the uk to attend the show and deliver some classes , as well as be on the stand and do same their for those not attending the classes, mr li has never been happier with how his product is sold and protected. I wont say they have had a perfect start , but they have improved 10 fold in the year they have been actively trading as trade locks , there future aspirations are in my opinion admirable , and im happy to be involved with them, and also happy with the opportunities i have through them and the knowledge and experiences i am gaining through them, so on the whole for me anyway , its been a positive experience and one that i have no regrets only optimism for the future. as i said if anyone is not happy with the role i have with them , then thats their opinion and one they are entitled to , but im sure all would have taken such a role if offered , and i accepted the role happily , so have made my bed and will stick with it , i support tradelocks and their future plans, and will prosper and grow or fall on the basis of this decision , if im right then it will be positive , if im wrong then i only have myself to blame , but as stated i know their future plans and agree with them and would accept other roles from them as long as they do not harm the job i do in the industry i work in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Chalky or anyone else using T300, if you are SERIOUSLY Auto locksmiths running a non cowboy like business, you only have to do the maths. The amount of jobs you cannot do with a T300 that you can do with the AD100 Pro adds up to quite a long list. This week for example if i only had the chinese copy machine i would have made nearly £400 less than i have with the genuine item. Now surely anyone can work out after 1 year i would be properly out of pocket by paying cheap for the chinese copy machine instead of the genuine product. Its not rocket science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chalky111 Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Keep the avitar Buffoon. It suits you well. Wear it with pride. I cannot think of anyone who deserves it more. PM me your address and I'll engrave a nice gold badge for you to wear, that says "BUFFOON" free of charge, then you can go about your daily business and everyone can see what you are Know what. There are some people on here who seem really nice, they are open to a discussion, and argue their case very well, and in two cases, have actually made a difference to the way I think, seriously. Then there are childish idiots who have absolutely no point to make, and really need to act as mature as their age would suggest. Can you guess which one you are? lol You are boring me now, and unlike when you said it to me, when i say it, it means I will not be entertaining your childish comments any more. Act your age 'my friend' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Fine. The thing is chalky, you only joined the forum a few days ago, and its not the first time we have seen this tripe. Go your way I'll go mine I am not a childish idiot, I have a successful business and have been trading for 41 years. A lot of the guys on here know who I am and where I am. Can't say the same about you though can we? Care to come out of the closet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Chalky, Members on this site have always tried to keep it as light hearted as possible & as with all forums, once you've used them for a few months you get to know the atmosphere of the site & its members. Launching head strong with an opinionated view point that even you know will rib people up the wrong way is never a good starting point & will receive a back lash. It doesn’t matter which forum you use it’s the same the world over, you may consider some members to be childish idiots, but did you not choose you avatar yourself? Does it not perhaps say, I’m up for a laugh? That’s the way I viewed it. So don’t get on your high horse about it! Enter into the spirit of the site & you’ll be sure to be a controversial member that a lot will enjoy reading. Besides there’s only one idiot on the site, cocco the clown Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 How's the head Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Chalky, here's me way back. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4299&p=42747#p42747. Mr Angry .. Me? I soon learnt the error of my ways and made friends. Look and learn "MY FRIEND" I took it on the chin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Jes, WD40 FFS Forgot all about that one! LOL. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 WD40 = Water Displacement,40 times till they got it right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keymaker Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I think Chalky has made a few good points here, although he may be a bit misguided on the ethics of honesty and respect for intellectual property. Has no one here used unaurothorised, imported key blanks or remotes for example? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". AD will always be the leader in key programming, and I fully support the products that they produce. Chalky111, the George Galloway of Lockies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I think Chalky has made a few good points here, although he may be a bit misguided on the ethics of honesty and respect for intellectual property. Has no one here used unaurothorised, imported key blanks or remotes for example? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".AD will always be the leader in key programming, and I fully support the products that they produce. Chalky111, the George Galloway of Lockies! i am just back from a 2 week holiday cruising the caribean on the worlds largest cruise ship oasis of the seas i treated my mum and dad and took my future wife and daughter it cost 10.5k without spending money if i didnt have a ad100pro and a mvp pro for the odd ball stuff and used a chinese clone i would loose out on so much work and could only dream of holidays like that. move with the times and invest in a real machine it will pay off in the long run. craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burghlocks Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I think Chalky has made a few good points here, although he may be a bit misguided on the ethics of honesty and respect for intellectual property. Has no one here used unaurothorised, imported key blanks or remotes for example? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".AD will always be the leader in key programming, and I fully support the products that they produce. Chalky111, the George Galloway of Lockies! i am just back from a 2 week holiday cruising the caribean on the worlds largest cruise ship oasis of the seas i treated my mum and dad and took my future wife and daughter it cost 10.5k without spending money if i didnt have a ad100pro and a mvp pro for the odd ball stuff and used a chinese clone i would loose out on so much work and could only dream of holidays like that. move with the times and invest in a real machine it will pay off in the long run. craig Well said Craig! hope you enjoyed the holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keymaker Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 i am just back from a 2 week holiday cruising the caribean on the worlds largest cruise ship oasis of the seas i treated my mum and dad and took my future wife and daughter it cost 10.5k without spending money if i didnt have a ad100pro and a mvp pro for the odd ball stuff and used a chinese clone i would loose out on so much work and could only dream of holidays like that. move with the times and invest in a real machine it will pay off in the long run. craig Try reading the post again, Craig, only take your time and understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chalky111 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Chalky or anyone else using T300, if you are SERIOUSLY Auto locksmiths running a non cowboy like business, you only have to do the maths.The amount of jobs you cannot do with a T300 that you can do with the AD100 Pro adds up to quite a long list. This week for example if i only had the chinese copy machine i would have made nearly £400 less than i have with the genuine item. Now surely anyone can work out after 1 year i would be properly out of pocket by paying cheap for the chinese copy machine instead of the genuine product. Its not rocket science you're right, its not rocket science, but when starting a business up with very little budget, 250 quid is a hell of a lot better than 12 grand. I can do the maths. You are established, and do a lot more car work than I do. Only about 30% of my calls are for car keys, and I haven't found one |i couldn't do.... wait, I tell a lie. I've failed to communicate with two ford galaxy's, but I was told to try them as a fusion. Bingo. So, while you would have lost money without your genuine machine, I could not afford or justify 12 grand as it was not in my budget. but hey, at least I'm had a go, and it is building nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chalky111 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Fine. The thing is chalky, you only joined the forum a few days ago, and its not the first time we have seen this tripe. Go your way I'll go mine I am not a childish idiot, I have a successful business and have been trading for 41 years. A lot of the guys on here know who I am and where I am. Can't say the same about you though can we? Care to come out of the closet? the first thing you responded to my post with was "cock" I dont care how long you have been in business, since 16 or not. You responded childishly And, you're right, you can't say the same about me, I am not as old as you, I have not been in the business as long as you, but I am having a discussion on here with a few people who talk sense, and really know what they are talking about. So, basically, i could not give a flying chuff how long you been in business, how successful you are or how old you are, you do not act it, you should go 'chat' on facebook while the rest of us talk about the subject Care to come out the closet? lol wtf does that mean haha? You said I was boring you, yet you still comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chalky111 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 I think Chalky has made a few good points here, although he may be a bit misguided on the ethics of honesty and respect for intellectual property. Has no one here used unaurothorised, imported key blanks or remotes for example? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".AD will always be the leader in key programming, and I fully support the products that they produce. Chalky111, the George Galloway of Lockies! I hate George Galloway lol, but I take your point lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 Counterfit Goods = Crime Therefore by tour own admission you are a criminal using counterfit goods. "SIMPLES" You can try and justify it any way you wan't but our industry doesn't need ill informed people like you who think price justifys everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamparker Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 "just because we could, doesn't mean we should" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkey Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 just so you all know ,chalky 111 is not to be confused with another chalky on other forums , chalky78 also known as chris cleasby from http://www.keyprogrammers.com/. chris is not a member on here but has been getting phone calls asking if its him .he wanted me to just post on his behalf to say it most definitely is not thanks guys ,steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremesecurity Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 I have met Chris from www.keyprogrammers.com and i think anyone who knows him will know it couldnt be him, i would go as far to say he is one of the nicest and most helpfull guys in the trade john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D Group Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 I would second that John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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