kobblers Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 we've left it a bit late,i know we've just noticed that the heel trimmer on our 700 is knackered, does anyone know where to get a new one from and the order code please? can they be sharpened? it's been that long since i used a machine with a metal heel trimmer that i can't remember i'm gonna miss my spiraband trimmer failing that then dimensions of what i need to look for will be appreciated. cheers, rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 heel trimmers we do, i assume it is a wide fluted cutter? if it is steel it can be sharpened but normally more bother than it is worth. we can also supply a spira band as a substitute for the cutter but we have to make the inside diameter of the guard slightly bigger to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 For the 18mm tungsten carbide ones, I have details of a supplier & grinder of these, will post them up when at the shop Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 It could of course be a Louis Top-Pice Trimmer and many of the 700 units were supplied with sharpening equipment. Tungsten wide trimmers also can be sharpened using the White disc from Norzon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 how do i tell the difference hugh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Louis cutters are about half inch wide max, have 16 cutters each one solid. Tungsten can vary from half inch to about inch and a half, 16 cutting blades but with serrations along each blade. There are tungsten that dont have serrations and were mainly used to trim gents heel blocks rather than scouring them. There is also cutter that has serrations that is not tungsten tipped. Personally I do not like large cutters, as invariably the sliding guard is sometimes not adjusted to the correct size for the job in hand, then you have the Health & Safety issue of missing or stunted finger ends. The Louis cutter on the other hand has to be sharpened regular, but with changable end guards to go smaller as the cutter wears you can get a better finish. (personal view, Standard & Siserve views may differ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 hugh, we would never recommend trying to sharpen a tungsten tipped cutter with the white disc, it would shatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Nah never heard of sharpening tungsten trimmers but steel ones are ok with the right kit and training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 For the 18mm tungsten carbide ones, I have details of a supplier & grinder of these, will post them up when at the shop Monday Here ya go Rick, for supply & sharpening Annolloy Ltd or Cemented Carbide Products Limited 135 Garth Road Morden Surrey SM4 4LA 020 8330 2211 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 We took a commercial view some 6 months ago to no longer offer cutter sharpening on ANY finishers, new or recon, in order to reduce any health risks to our customers. There have been many accidents and near missis over the years to warrant restraint where sharpening is concerned. I also read a document from the EU somewhere that suggested ALL sharpening stones should be 90% enclosed. That would make sharpening almost impossible This prompted my decision. With cutters costing from as little as £18.00, we feel the risk isn't worth taking Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkb Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 whithin the week i will be purchesing a 36 iron carbide sole trimmer $185 , an 18 iron carbide top lift trimmer $125, along with a mini grover that attaches to the side of the sole trimmer for 'blake stitching'. all quite expensive but will need way less maint. ive been told by users, thayve not sharpend for 5 years with heavy use. i believe for me it will pay off bkb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 thats a wide sole trimmer, do you have a variable guard for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 ive been told by users, thayve not sharpend for 5 years with heavy use.i believe for me it will pay off bkb Tungsten Carbide cutters are great, and agree they keep their sharpness for years, my hobbing cutter was last re-ground in 2001 & is still good now, even considering it's used for trimming JR leather & metal tops (Leicester Tops) aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkb Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 yes, both have adj. guards bkb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 you trim metal tops with a metal trimmer tell me more... we received a replacement cutter this morning from colledg and it' working a treat but i wouldn't mind getting my hands on a cutter that doesn't need sharpening for five years and that i can trim metal tops with. can ya sharpen knives on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Rick, Did you purchase the £15 HSS cutter or the £76 Tungsten Carbide one? Bet it was the cheaper one, you skinflint Now if you had spent £61 more you'd have one that'll trim metal tops too & last years without the need for re-grinding, It's TC cutters that are used on engineering lathes to turn metals, HSS just would be up to the job matey. Sharpen your knives on a strop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Metal tops on a trimmer ?? Well i never did.. Eighteen quid from siserve for a steel one. Easy, no hassle ordering and paying for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I also read a document from the EU somewhere that suggested ALL sharpening stones should be 90% enclosed. That would make sharpening almost impossible This prompted my decision.Keith would be quite an easy option to adapt the stand alone sharpening machine, just enclose it in perspex or similiar and through slots in the side operate the rise and fall arms. Would not sell so many new trimmers then though. I would have thought one of the service companies would have offered this service before now! Have your blunt trimmers and Key blades sharpened by the local Saw Doctors if you dont want to do them yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 sorry tell but that is an incorrect statement as i have also worked for lucas aerospace woking on the lathes and can tell you that the softer metals were turned with hss tools and the harder metals such as cold rolled steel stainless steel and nimonic steel were turned with tungstan and these were tips that were held on hss steel with locking screws for easy replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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