Charles birch keys

[Guest richard]

just had mi new cb keys in - thing is there only 9-95 per hundres and come in different profiles.

1a- 35b- 36m- ul1- ul1r- ul2- ul2r- gege- corbin- yax- and loads of others.

thing is there silver in colour, and cheap!

[ironplanet uk900]

just had mi new cb keys in - thing is there only 9-95 per hundres and come in different profiles.

1a- 35b- 36m- ul1- ul1r- ul2- ul2r- gege- corbin- yax- and loads of others.

thing is there silver in colour, and cheap!

 

So what are you trying to say

[Lee]

Originally this was posted in the reviews section, so I think Richard was reviewing Birch's current key supplying situation. I moved it away from there as its not really what the reviews section is going to be for (Sorry Richard)

However I have re-worded the review section, as this is designed to be for reviewing specific Items and needs to be of the quality of the current tutorials page to really work

 

 

Lee

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Are these "cheap" keys Steel? if so I dont think they are cheap in the long run. I can remember many years ago that the Blade was more frequently replaced than if using Brass blanks.

[ironplanet uk900]

Good point Hugh, But the steel used in these blanks isn't so hard to cut. they are as easy as brass to cut .

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Interesting, are they part alloy, do they rust, does the machine judder and stick when you are away from the machine and the motor burn out?

 

I was refering to an automatic machine where you set it on go and went off to have a Fag only to get back to a machine that was smoking in unison with me.

[kobblers]

we've never had any problems with the quality of the CB blanks

[Auto Key Wizard]

we've never had any problems with the quality of the CB blanks

 

You will, as they are manufactured in China & are cheap 'n' nasty, We're not talking CEA quality here

 

Ask about the UL5 & UL6 recall, Bet the universal section you'll receive now will be manufactured by JMA

 

[ironplanet uk900]

I've had a few ul's twist or broken.

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

I think that the higher volume cutters will see the true extent of the quality of these blanks and here's another thought. Steel Chubb type blanks, these wear the levers prematurely, is it going to be the same with the pins in Cylinnder Barrels using steel blanks?

[bristolcobbler]

t.colledges have also price matched charles birch on the key offer for 100

for 9.99 but they are supplying jma blanks.

[AD 1992]

i've had no end of problems with these cheap cb keys.who knows what its cost in customer confidence and repeat business.until cb start restocking with quality blanks i for one will look elsewhere for my key supplies.

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Welcome Stam30, like your avatar.

[kobblers]

Steel Chubb type blanks, these wear the levers prematurely, is it going to be the same with the pins in Cylinnder Barrels using steel blanks?

 

it's the biggest pile of twaddle i was ever told, i concede that it may be true on a lock that has a VERY high volume of use but i've yet to meet anybody who complained that their lock hadn't lasted as long as expected because of the wrong material being used for blanks

 

anyway, on a lighter note, worn locks (prematurely or otherwise) need replacing don't they? cha ching to those who supply and/or fit them

[hibsjo(SCO)]

Replacement levers and keys would be your next step.

 

Preservation member

 

God forbid someone throw something away because its worn? (shoes/boots)

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Have a look at the damage to the plastic spacers and how the lock becomes unusable when a someone using cheap steel blnks gets it wrong.

I tested these blanks many years ago on my own locks and I can cut keys acurately. (no saying that these key blanks are the same you understand or that we have folk who cant set machines up)

[Auto Key Wizard]

Steel Chubb type blanks, these wear the levers prematurely, is it going to be the same with the pins in Cylinnder Barrels using steel blanks?

 

it's the biggest pile of twaddle i was ever told

 

Many locks use brass Levers, Pins or Wafers, so steel/alloy keys can & will cause wear to these parts over time

 

Take a look at quality of the cut your equipment makes, are the sides of the peaks & the base of the valleys smooth, if these are jagged or have a filed appearence then you cutters are blunt or the blanks are being cut through too fast

 

Steel keys cut in this poor quality fashion will wear the internals of a lock, because they have a file/saw like action on the brass part within the lock

 

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Hooray, backup, the cavalry have arrived.

I always rounded the cuts off on all mortice Keys due to this very problem, plus it made for a smoother turn in the lock.

 

common sence would say use the same or softer material for the key unless you want to wear the customers lock on purpose and I cant believe anyone on this forum would go to those lenghts for a bit more trade.

[ironplanet uk900]

I agree with the last 2 posts. If someone wants a key copiedthey want it copied, not some poxy chinese crap.

Stand by our English manufacturers, and we'll all benefit for years to come with their fantastic range of keys and knowledge.

Long live Davenport Burgess & stuff the chinese

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

[kobblers]

yup, nowt wrong wi' a bit o' english manufacturing

 

you do have to ask though: why do they use brass levers when there are much more resilient and cheaper alloys out there?

[windycity]

hello chaps

Tel100 these cb keys are these their own brand 1a's (cb 52) thats silver coloured but brass material? if so they are selling them in london for 65.00 per 1000, I recently brought some.

Ihave had no trouble as of yet, but would be interested to know what trouble you have had with these.

kind regards paul

[ironplanet uk900]

yup, nowt wrong wi' a bit o' english manufacturing

 

you do have to ask though: why do they use brass levers when there are much more resilient and cheaper alloys out there?

 

Cus brass was cheap till the yellow man brought it all

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Alloys = Corrosion.......

[Auto Key Wizard]

hello chaps

TeL200

I have had no trouble as of yet, but would be interested to know what trouble you have had with these.

kind regards paul

 

Hi Paul,

I've had no issues with these blanks because I don't stock them

but I've been informed by a reliable source that these blank stock are crap, cheap & nasty, don't think you'd find any locksmith worth their salt using them