MartyCoggs Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Hi Guys. I have an 884 from you and have a tech question. I need to do a Vauxhall Vivaro Van and know its Renault based with a Philips Crypto PH20 transponder. I know the 2nd step procedure is different on Renault cars, would it be the same alternate swap original/TK100 with the Vivaro or just the 3 turns as per any other car/van? Also would it be Original first then Copy key or Copy Key first then original IF it's the Renault procedure? Cheers in advance. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exp121260 Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Follow the procedures/steps the machine tells and you should be OK. Never heard of Renault procedure and have been using Mini for 6 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyCoggs Posted August 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 The manual says alternate ignitions for Renault but I'm not sure if the Vivaro would qualify as a Renault or Vauxhall in this respect as it's Renault based. The Machine does not tell you all that much, just 'proceed to step 2' so not much info on screen so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyCoggs Posted August 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 PS It's not a Mini it's just the standard 884 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony Davenport Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Hi this topic here should help with all 884 and 884 mini questions / problems Regards Tony Business Development Manager Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyCoggs Posted August 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Thanks Tony but my question was really to do with the Vivaro being a Renault procedure or a Vauxhall procedure. Do you know which procedure I'd need to use specifically for the Vauhall Vivaro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 If you use the normal procedure first it would tell you if it wasn’t going to work wouldn’t it? Then try the other procedure instead Technical Tony Davenport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyCoggs Posted August 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Yes but I don't want to block the control unit which I guess would happen if you do the standard 3 turns step 2 procedure on a Renault, or am I mistaken?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony Davenport Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 ALWAYS 100% use the " Original " key and hold the Chip or Head next to the key then you should never block the car as the car will always see the original key as well . this is the easiest and safest way to sniff data Regards Tony Business Development Manager Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyCoggs Posted August 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Technical Tony / Davenport said: ALWAYS 100% use the " Original " key and hold the Chip or Head next to the key then you should never block the car as the car will always see the original key as well . this is the easiest and safest way to sniff data Regards Tony Business Development Manager Direct Tel: 07572 216446 Email: twilkin@davenport-burgess.com DAVENPORT BURGESS, 47 Wednesfield Road, Willenhall, West Midlands, WV13 1AL t: 01902 366448 f: 01902 602472 e: sales@davenport-burgess.com w: www.davenport-burgess.com FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Facebook | Twitter Thanks Tony but do you know if the Vauxhall Vivaro requires the Renault procedure or just the normal 3 turn step 2 procedure?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 i guess this is the procedure you’re talking about? when you program the key using MVP you treat it like a Renault van, so I suppose it would act like a Renault for this too? Technical Tony Davenport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 forget vauxhall , vivaro is a renault trafic so treat as such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyman Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Too right. Years ago I did a VW Caddy using KL884. Thought, "That's weird, it's a Renault blank, oh well", without it dawning on me about Renault procedure (and rebadged vehicles), on I blundered. After a block, then battery disconnect and much embarrassment it was sorted. Needless to say, nowadays if it looks like a Renault key it gets treated like a Renault so no more blocks. BTW, it's copy first, then original, then copy, then original, then copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 You sure it was a VW Caddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 caddy has never used a renault key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyman Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Bearing in mind it was a few years ago (fading memory and all that) but it was a small van, so I'm assuming it was a Caddy, which I've since learned is a rebadged Renault Kangoo. What is certain is the van was a VW and the key I was presented with had an NE38-style blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 This has only confused me further. Sounds like a rare beast. 9 hours ago, keyman said: Bearing in mind it was a few years ago (fading memory and all that) but it was a small van, so I'm assuming it was a Caddy, which I've since learned is a rebadged Renault Kangoo. What is certain is the van was a VW and the key I was presented with had an NE38-style blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EST Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Muppet Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 I think he’s thinking of Mercedes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 mercedes citan used VA2 blade. very early caddy models did have hu49 key on them possibly thinking of this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyman Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 On 8/9/2021 at 11:00 AM, rapidlocks said: mercedes citan used VA2 blade. very early caddy models did have hu49 key on them possibly thinking of this one You may very well have something there with the HU49 suggestion. Could have sworn it was an NE38, but it was approximately 8-9 years ago, it was certainly an edge-cut key. I almost feel better knowing I had no clue it was a rebadged Renault until after I looked for the reason I experienced a Renault-style block and I looked into the van's pedigree. Apologies to all for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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