InstaCode PLUS A4 A6 and A9 Miracle

[Technical Tony original]

Today we have this news from Mr Ho the technical director of Miracle

"I'm so pleased to be able to announce the good news.

WH Software have released a new update today, and the update includes the "Miracle" Machine as a choice for direct contact

Both decoding and cutting are available.

 

To decode a key by using Instacode, first, press "Cut Key" button then transmit the data.

A9 screen will show the key information, then you can choose what to do, cut or decode.

If you do decoding on the screen, then you can press "Decode" button on the Instacode at any time before the decoding is completed.

The decoded result will appear on the Instacode screen when the decoding is completed on the A9.

 

Android version os almost completed.

WH software is expecting to release it within next week.

Due to protocol support in iOS, iPhone can't transmit data to the A9”.

 

This is yet another further leap, making this the best machine in its class for the End Key Cutter

[lock&quay]

That will certainly help sales , Does this machine use just one cutter ?

[Technical Tony original]

OK, for laser keys / Cylinder keys and Tubular keys it uses one cutter / Tracer

 

Also many people think as its a laser cutter only as such, it is slower than another new machine with both cutters (Cylinder and Laser) but the fact is they run around the same speed (Aprox) due to the other machine having slower motors for the cylinder cutter so the comparison is about the same .

 

You do need different cutters and Tracers for the standard Dimple keys and also the Magnum (Yale Superior keys) which I do not believe any other machine in this class of machine can do !

[hibsjo(SCO)]

this sounds like advertising to me!!!

buyers in my opinion have the right to talk this machine up NOT sellers!

carry on!

[Technical Tony original]

this sounds like advertising to me!!!

buyers in my opinion have the right to talk this machine up NOT sellers!

carry on!

 

TBH I would always say if I do or don't like a machine More as a personal choice, but to advise the 1st part of this post is informative, the 2nd post was a reply with feedback i have received from customers .

Please feel free to ask any questions at all, and I can try and help thanks for looking .

[lock&quay]

I wouldn't be surprised if Silca now expand on the Viper edge kit to cover all keys as that's going to be the easiest option to compete .

[Technical Tony original]

Would be interesting if they do so, as they will be playing catch up with all the jaws the A9 now has .

 

Maybe Silca India will add items to the Futrua in place of Silca Itay with their Viper .

[Matt@Silca]

As a rule, I make a point of not getting involved in direct machine comparisons and stick to speaking about our own products, however let me clarify some points here!

 

Silca are a global company and have factories on most continents of the world, our factory in India produce a lot of our plastic mouldings. They do not make any of our electronic key cutting machines. All Silca electronic key cutting machines are made in Italy.

 

During the development of the Silca Futura (In Italy), the best components were gathered from around the globe and tested thoroughly for durability and accuracy in specifically designed test rigs and put through their paces over 50k test cycles.

 

This has resulted in the Futura using American stepper motors, Italian Belts, German cutter motors and Swiss carriage runners (the best of the best) and not the cheapest components available in China and Korea at the time as others have.

 

Thanks to our extensive testing of components we are able to offer a 2 year warranty. We also guarantee spare parts will be available for a minimum of 7 years after the end of the product life. We also have a genuine CE certificate on this machine and not a 'Chinese Export' mark (details available about these via google).

 

The Futura uses a proper prismatic cutter for flat keys because it provides quality, accuracy and longevity. The laser reader also allows for any flat key to be copied and not just those where you have a data card. Silca refused to compromise and use the drill cutter on high security keys as it is simply not accurate enough or true to the cutting pattern of these key systems.

 

Our patented carriage configuration generates less noise, less vibration and more accuracy than any of our competitors! (however it is less use as a diving board!)

 

Silca have been at the cutting edge (pardon the pun) of key cutting machine manufacture for decades and have a reputation for quality and trust, which is why we do not make false claims like some of our competitors. The Futura is accurate to 0.05mm for example, others claim to be accurate to 0.00125mm, (even when the carriage visually bounces whilst cutting a key) this is frankly laughable!

 

I could go on and on with the reasons Silca key cutting machines are the best available, but if the cheapest price is your priority then these reasons won't matter. It is always worth remembering that when investing in your company, you do not want to have to re-invest time after time because you chose an inferior product.

[grahamparker]

=D> =D> .

[Technical Tony original]

Sounds like Advertising and stolen post from the original InstaCode update information hehehe .....

 

Jokes aside thats great information to know,

also follow on the original question above was if Silca are making a Magnum jaw for their machine as posted, just out of interest

[Technical Tony original]

Basic details on the A9 Spe'c for Information purposes only

 

Specification:

 

Size: 260(W) x 303(H)x 360(D) mm

high quality DC Motor Power: 27W

Resolution: XY-0.005mm, Z-0.00125

Weight: 24Kg

Correct CE mark as mentioned above

Embedded 7-inch Touch Controller

- Equipped with both decoder and cutter

- Tilting screen

- Various types of key cutting supported

- Replaceable clamp

- Automatic key measurement

- Barcode scanning

- Wide and brighter LED light

- Equipped with two spindle belts

- High power 27W DC motor with 24VDC

- Faster cut speed

- Communication via USB

- Portable

Fixed Decoder (Probe)

Two Spindle Belts to Ensure Rotation with High Torque

Various Key Cutting Support

Automobile Key included

HU66 Jaw included

Simplex attachment included

 

Additional clamps

 

Dimple Key

Single Standard House Key

Tubular Key

Ford Tibbe

Ford FHS

Yale / Magnum

New Engraving Jaw

[Matt@Silca]

The Magnum key systems are available for Futura (details here http://www.silca.biz/en/new/new-product ... -2014.html)

 

You may need to update your software free of charge and purchase the angled jaws from your key supplier.

[Technical Tony original]

Thanks that is interesting and new to know

[lock&quay]

Will the Silca Futura  be able to cut the    VA2  as my Silca Viper can not only by code , I find this frustrating as I do more of these than anything else (  on a manual machine ) ;(

[grahamparker]

If you get the Locksmith magazine in Issue 40 there is an ask the expert special on cutting VA2 and how you can decode them yourself using the

1234Q5678H series.

 

If you have not got it pm me and i will scan and email it to you.

 

I just copy them manually on the mustang only takes 2 minutes so not worth the effort to decode and cut on my triax.

[Mark Davis]

Do the Miracle machine not have there own on board software?

[Matt@Silca]

Will the Silca Futura  be able to cut the    VA2  as my Silca Viper can not only by code , I find this frustrating as I do more of these than anything else (  on a manual machine ) ;(

The issue with decoding these keys is that some cuts have 2 references (i.e. H & 8 are the same, so are 4 & Q) so it is not possible for the machine to accurately say what the code is based on the depth of cut.

 

In most cases however users only want to be able to re-produce the key rather than decode it, this is now an option on your Viper machine. 

[lock&quay]

Perhaps It's because I use Insta code , but it still won't cut even when I ignore the code , The Viper comes up with a message "Unacceptable cut sequence "  something like that .

[lock&quay]

What size cutter & tracer do you use on the mustang ?

[Lock Stock]

Perhaps It's because I use Insta code , but it still won't cut even when I ignore the code , The Viper comes up with a message "Unacceptable cut sequence "  something like that .

 

Why are you using Instacode rather then Silca?

 

If your Silca program is up to date the have now caught up and worked out how the lock works. You can now decode VA2 or VA6

[lock&quay]

Up until this problem , I have never had a problem with Insta code  plus I thought you had to pay for Silca software ?

[rapidlocks]

if you enter cuts into viper but it wont accept code , yet you know its right , you can enter the code in a different way until accepted , i cant remember the exact code someone had issues with recently on viper where he had read with lishi and viper wouldnt accept the code , but lets say it was 388434 and viper said unnaceptable code and wouldnt cut it .

 

we tried a few different ways of entering this code until viper accepted it and allowed the key to be cut which was the correct key ,

 

his reading was 388434 viper said no

we tried 3HHQ34 viper said no

we tried 318434 or 381434 i cant remember which but viper accepted this 

 

all 3 codes would have cut same key but only 1 of the 3 was accepted .

 

by switching a position from its upper value to the opposite tracks lower value it was accepted and the correct key cut .

 

a key of 388434 could be entered in over 50 ways to cut the same key , ie ;

 

388434

311434

318434

381434

688565

31HQ34

 

and so on and on and on swapping low value for opposite high value and so on .

 

each high value cut will have its opposite low value cut on opposite track

 

8 cut will always sit opposite a 1 cut

7 cut will always sit opposite a 2 cut

6 cut will always sit opposite a 3 cut

5 cut will always sit opposite a 4 cut

and vice versa , so in entering a 1 cut for bottom track the machine knows to cut an 8 cut on opposite track opposite it , so doesnt really matter if you enter it as a 1 or an 8 cut in that position as it will still cut it correctly as knows which track to cut the 8 and opposite 1 cut on .

 

which is why as matt has rightly said , its  impossible for any machine to decode the manufactures written key code , as the same code could be written in so many different ways to all cut the same key , dependent on if they listed each position in higher or lower value and then switch some adjoining 4s and 8s to H and Q values , but just because its impossible for a machine to know for sure which of the many possible codes the manufacturer has used , it will still decode and cut the correct key regardless whether it decodes in high or low values .

 

site reading these keys becomes very easy when you know which track houses cuts 1 to 4 and which track houses cuts 5 to 8 , site reading the double sided mechanical key and the single sided bypass key on clio 4 , megane 3etc is the same process with no difference and can simplify cutting a spare key.

 

im unsure if silca decode in the same way i expect so , but ninja laser decodes both sides of the cut to guarantee accurate decode .

 

the new vag locks will also pose similar issues as also using inverted wafers in a number of positions the last one i stripped had 4 inverted wafers  , but following similar rules of a lower track cut will always have its opposite cut on the upper track.

[grahamparker]

Up until this problem , I have never had a problem with Insta code  plus I thought you had to pay for Silca software ?

 

Yes you do and it cost a fortune not only to purchase but it also has ongoing subscription costs which where over £500 this year for my triax and unocode.

 

I did contemplate swapping and using instacode but the silca software, quirky as it is sometimes does work really well and when i bought my unocode over 10 years ago the silca

software was miles ahead of anything else available. Not sure that is the case any longer.

[grahamparker]

What size cutter & tracer do you use on the mustang ?

 

 

I use the 2mm cutter and tracer.

[Matt@Silca]

Perhaps It's because I use Insta code , but it still won't cut even when I ignore the code , The Viper comes up with a message "Unacceptable cut sequence "  something like that .

If you get the error message 'cutting combination not allowed' then this means that it is not possible to go from a high to a low cut using the specified angle between each cut. In these cases (for VA2, VA6) use card number 3404 (ALL COMBINATIONS) which ignores the angle.