Anti Snap Cylinder Keys - Opinions?

[LockandKey]

Hi Peeps,

 

After many years in the cylinder sales market we think we know what are actually the best euro cylinders on the market in the UK - of course this is just the opinion of running 10+ locksmiths for 30 years+ so don't take this as written gospel! It is primarily just my balanced opinion, I'm sure a few of my master locksmith members will have a different view?

 

Most people have multipoint locks and euro cylinders which are controlled by the standard euro cylinders we have all cut extra keys for over the last 2 or 3 decades and made a good living.

 

However over the last 20 years the once secure Multipoint locks have been compromised by lock snapping, drilling, bumping etc

 

We have tested, fitted and 'smashed' lot's of the latest anti snap TS007 cylinders available - while you might read this thinking 'what the hell has this got to do with key cutting' it could help you keep a customer for life - which is worth far more than a passing sale, and far more likely to be suggested to other customers local to your shop via social networks like Facebook etc.

 

The top ratings are all tough to cut keys, code keys - but it's the actual lock we are discussing here.

 

Our rankings (not all TS007 BS) and based on domestic cylinder prices - we exclude the mid/high end euro cylinders.

 

As this was originally written before we became an ABS Elite dealer I have now updated it - our initial concerns working with Avocet ABS as a long term partner where laid to rest, so we are now serious advocates of this cylinder (I have 5 of them in my own home)

 

No 1. ABS Avoced BS TS007 3 Star, Sold secure rated - pretty much as good as it gets for anti snap anti pick anti bump anti drill cylinders ABS Euro Cyliners

 

No 2. CISA Astral (also great for master key systems) not TS007 but in our opinion a great cylinder and very keen price c. £20 with 3 keys. We would favour this cylinder, but they are difficult to source in large numbers even with our distribution... Eurozone gone bonkers in our opinion.

 

No 3. Yale Superior was Millenco Magum. Very common in new build homes and BS Kite marked, after the new re-branding of Magnum to Yale Superior this will only continue - and that now includes Everest, also another dimple key / triax key c £20-£30 cylinder with 3 keys new.

 

No 4. ISEO R6 - Possibly the best cylinder here, but not a brand most of our customers have seen before.

 

No 5. Yale Anti Snap Euro Cylinder this is TS007 BS Kite marked and a cylinder many of your customers will feel comfortable with @ £30-40 each. But the keys are probably cheaper if they only need one or two.

 

Bottom line is - if they want 3+ extra keys and you can't cut there and then, you could advise your customer to swap the lot for the same price? Or cut the keys, which ever is better for the customer. Either way you will have to order a set of code keys or a new cylinder with 3 new keys - and sometimes the new cylinder will be much cheaper and / or much faster to supply?

 

If you do this - then they will promote you on average 9x to friends. Which is worth more than cutting another key?

 

Sorry to rant on - but it's just a thought that I wanted to share!

[10ringo10]

Having been a lockie for many years and a cylindersmith of sorts !!

 

1. Abloy protec

2. CISA ASTRAL AGREED GREAT PICK PROTECTION AND FITTED ANTI SNAP HANDLE

3. AVOCET ABS MARK 3..

4. EVVA DPS/3ks WITH ANTI SNAP HANDLE.

 

LOW COST EURO AS TO BE THE UAP + FOR ME FITTED WITH ANTI SNAP HANDLES

 

I dont rate the m magnum can be picked in under 1min or raked,the iseo r6 great lock.. but have never seen this with antisnap feature

and are tricky to pick open R12 would be better.

[chrisorros]

Nobody else rate the mul-t-lock xp? Not the cheapest but i think personally the best cynlinder on the market at the moments. The cam has changed things for cynlinder pulling.

 

Evva DPS in anti snap? I thought they only did that in the EPS.

[Two_pints]

Thread necromancy to ask for more recent thoughts on what’s best.

Avocet ABS still seems to be the market leader, but is it still the best? There’s that opening tool. But there’s a tool for most cylinders, even a Protec.

Sales of Yale’s anti-snap cylinders must be catching up with Avocet. However, the bump on the Yale Platinum looks like a hassle for many people to fit. Weirdly, the Platinum’s sacrificial cut is on the inside!?!

I think Cisa’s added a sacrificial cut to the Astral S, but see no sign of a 3-star rated Cisa yet.

I liked the old Mul-T-Lock XP, but the new 3DS has dropped the interlocking cam and looks like a Mauer clone.

 

[grahamparker]

12 hours ago, Two_pints said:

Thread necromancy to ask for more recent thoughts on what’s best.

Avocet ABS still seems to be the market leader, but is it still the best? There’s that opening tool. But there’s a tool for most cylinders, even a Protec.

Sales of Yale’s anti-snap cylinders must be catching up with Avocet. However, the bump on the Yale Platinum looks like a hassle for many people to fit. Weirdly, the Platinum’s sacrificial cut is on the inside!?!

I think Cisa’s added a sacrificial cut to the Astral S, but see no sign of a 3-star rated Cisa yet.

I liked the old Mul-T-Lock XP, but the new 3DS has dropped the interlocking cam and looks like a Mauer clone.

 

ABS Market leader ???

How are you coming to this conclusion ?.

[Dave the locksmith]

15 hours ago, Two_pints said:

Thread necromancy to ask for more recent thoughts on what’s best.

Avocet ABS still seems to be the market leader, but is it still the best? There’s that opening tool. But there’s a tool for most cylinders, even a Protec.

Sales of Yale’s anti-snap cylinders must be catching up with Avocet. However, the bump on the Yale Platinum looks like a hassle for many people to fit. Weirdly, the Platinum’s sacrificial cut is on the inside!?!

I think Cisa’s added a sacrificial cut to the Astral S, but see no sign of a 3-star rated Cisa yet.

I liked the old Mul-T-Lock XP, but the new 3DS has dropped the interlocking cam and looks like a Mauer clone. 

 

The OLD Mul-T-Lock XP ? Whats old about it ? It is still for sale and our best selling and most reliable cylinder.

The 3DS is a Mauer Assa Abloy own them.

ABS market leader !!! With the amount of failures and problems we have had with them i would put them somewhere near the bottom of the pile.

[Two_pints]

I saw Mul-T-Lock had launched the 3DS, so guessed it was a replacement for the XP+ cylinder. I may have been wrong 

Would you put the XP+ as No. 1? What about the 3-star Evva EPS or pExtra Guard?

11 hours ago, Dave the locksmith said:

The 3DS is a Mauer Assa Abloy own them.

Thanks. Now I’ve seen the 3DS is a Mauer New Wave (not sure which one though). 

I’m guessing it’s a small risk for Mul-T-Lock to put their name on a Mauer. How well built are Mauer cylinders?

[Dave the locksmith]

11 hours ago, Two_pints said:

I saw Mul-T-Lock had launched the 3DS, so guessed it was a replacement for the XP+ cylinder. I may have been wrong 

Would you put the XP+ as No. 1? What about the 3-star Evva EPS or pExtra Guard?

Thanks. Now I’ve seen the 3DS is a Mauer New Wave (not sure which one though). 

I’m guessing it’s a small risk for Mul-T-Lock to put their name on a Mauer. How well built are Mauer cylinders?

3DS is Mul-T-Locks "budget" range it is available to anyone to stock and sell you do not have to be a fully fledged agent. Like brisant, abs and others you just need to buy a minimum stock.

Every locksmith will have there own opinion which is the best cylinder.

I personally have used mul-t-lock for 25+ years (look at my id picture and age my bike), never had a failure (due to manufacturing) very easy to work on (re-keying, master keying) and get superb back up from my rep (Tom) and the office. But you will find others that will say mul-t-lock are the devil incarnate. SO the answer to what is the best is ?

[grahamparker]

5 minutes ago, Dave the locksmith said:

 But you will find others that will say mul-t-lock are the devil incarnate.

I think that is mainly due to Assa Abloy aka "The Borg" as they slowly wipe out all the small independent companies then massively increase prices overnight.

 

[Two_pints]

On 7/16/2019 at 8:31 AM, Dave the locksmith said:

3DS is Mul-T-Locks "budget" range 

Do you think the 3DS will be as reliable as any other Mul-T-Lock?

 I wonder if the 3DS is manufactured by Mul-T-Lock in Israel or Mauer in Bulgaria. Mind you, Mauer New Wave cylinders are expensive - similar to a Mul-T-Lock MT5. Perhaps the “budget” 3DS merely uses Mauer’s anti-snap tech.

[Jc.locksmiths]

Bit of an old subject but I fitted a mul t lock 3ds thumb turn in December but & its failed already another guy I know had the same issue with one. 

[Dave the locksmith]

2 hours ago, Jc.locksmiths said:

Bit of an old subject but I fitted a mul t lock 3ds thumb turn in December but & its failed already another guy I know had the same issue with one. 

I have not had any, but so many ABS failures it's gone beyond a joke, but this is the world of locks every person has their area problems and we all have different opinion on products so all we can do is try all the new products when they come out and eventually the market demand ie. our customers, will tell us what is the best product to stock.

 

[CummingsLocks]

Had 3 x Era Fortress 3* cylinders fail within the last 2 weeks, the brass cir clip seems to have fallen out

[Jc.locksmiths]

In talking to my rep at mul t lock he told me they had a few Come back with the same problem & they have made  hangers to a part in the lock to stop this happing we will see. 

[lock&quay]

I tell customer that if they want the best they get a custom made hardwood door with a Bramah, apart from that I use ,

Iseo F6extra s   great quality 

Iseo R6  good quality & for master key system ( dimple)

Anker slot for a restricted system but its getting expensive

Avocet pioneer plus (dimple)

Any dimple cut is a good return on key cutting for me .

 

 

[danny82]

Not sure how cisa astral made this list as they snap so easily 

[Two_pints]

Iseo’s launched its F6 Extra S3, which is 3-star rated. What are your opinions?

Also, Mul-T-Lock has a new 3-star cylinder (the MTL 300 3XP). What does it add to the MTL range? It’s not replacing the Integrator XP, is it? 

[Dave the locksmith]

MTL 300 is the replacement for the Integrator (the patent runs out this april)

 

[Two_pints]

What are your thoughts on the Abus X60? 

[grahamparker]

Made by Federal. Same as ERA/Brisant etc.

Overpriced.

[Two_pints]

Thanks. Presumably, all the euro cylinders mentioned above will have to retake the new TS007-1 test in the next 12-25 months to retain their 3-star status. It looks like a significant update.

Sold Secure Diamond has already been revised, but I don’t know how long manufacturers have got to meet the new requirements.