kobblers Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Has anyone else had a problem with these keys not going into the lock because of the collar? It seems to be mainly the escutcheons that the collar has issues with Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny King Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Sorry Rick , Nope We cut hundreds of these if not thousands. Never have any probs with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglee Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 not had a problem with the key not going in to the lock - but they are a poor lock ive had a few recalls on them due to the levers playing up. i have pulled them from my stock now and fit either union strong bolt or asec for my budget range. big lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Me neither!! Cut loads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Nor I.............what after market blank are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlsdoncobbler Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 yes i have a problem recently the collar is quite large in comparison to the origanal told Mike at Keymaster he said the keys came from keys of steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 the keys came from keys of steel Problem solved...they should be keys of Brass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKS_User Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 There was an issue last year when ERA manufactured locks with a smaller than usual escutcheons, this caused an issue with the key not being able to enter the lock far enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted May 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Ours are solid brass from NWKeys Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Ours are solid brass from NWKeys Rick. i bought 500 of them last month as they were on special used about 50 not 1 back so it may be the lock problem. craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 origional red fortress, steel levers and brass keys and they dont mix very well producing a fair amount of call backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark A Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 The fortress has just been redesigned by ERA with the new version now having steel keys. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Wonder what Tel will make of that Strangest thing is that some of the keys we've had back appear to measure up exactly, even on the collars Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lock N Safe Buddy Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Sold thousands of Fortress locks in the past - would say around 10% were "rough" with original keys! They are a poor lock. Had too many lockouts with em. Now using Union strongbolt as they are an exact replacement for the most popular BS lock on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaloti Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 We've had a couple of these blanks give us a problem. Had these problems when cutting extra keys to a lock straight out of the box, so nothing to do with the door or eschusion. Bit to close to the coller and the coller not being concentric. Obviously you can spot the bit problem when cutting, but the eccentric coller took some figuring out as you would'nt think it being off would make any differance. Cant figure out who supplied the blanks as we have a few differant sorces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcap Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I have regular problems with some JMA fortress copy blanks I bought last year through Duffells.... probably about 30% of the time. Collar to big to enter the handle backplate keyway and/or the odd escutcheon. Fortunately, being mobile, I'm just cutting copies to locks I've just fitted, so it doesn't take much sorting out.... but it's still a pain. ....I've only got another couple of hundred to get through now!!!!... but I won't be buying the JMA one's again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 ....I've only got another couple of hundred to get through now!!!!... but I won't be buying the JMA one's again!! HI - Just to confirm JMA ER-5G are not faulty and did work in all ERA locks, This was until a while ago ERA had a " how can you say it ? " Quaility control issue ..... In turn the escutheon plates were made wrong ! and none of the ERA keys were going into there own locks either ! Now What ERA did was to grind / mill / machine all there shoulders of the keys down to fit there wrong escutheon plates .. This did lead to the JMA keys and other makes now not fitting all the time into these faulty locks. I believe there are still some of these locks in use - but SKS did return what we had to ERA as faulty ! - Not sure what they did with them ? (Screwfix - only joking - but I wonder if ERA did scrap them all ??? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcap Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 ....I've only got another couple of hundred to get through now!!!!... but I won't be buying the JMA one's again!! HI - Just to confirm JMA ER-5G are not faulty and did work in all ERA locks, This was until a while ago ERA had a " how can you say it ? " Quaility control issue ..... I fail to see what quality control at ERA has to do with the failure of the JMA blanks to pass through the keyway of generic handle plates! I've never had a problem with any of the original ERA blanks I have.... so, sorry... but sounds like a crock to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cjm Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 During early production we did find some of the blanks had the problem, where the collar stopped the key entering if the Escutcheon wasn't in line with the lock. People who complained about it thought it was because the blank was too thick. We withdrew our stock immediately and retooled. Now these blanks are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Tony original Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 [I fail to see what quality control at ERA has to do with the failure of the JMA blanks to pass through the keyway of generic handle plates! I've never had a problem with any of the original ERA blanks I have.... so, sorry... but sounds like a crock to me! Hello - ERA had problems with their keys as well - and they did machine the shoulders smaller (after the keys were already produced) so their own keys would then fit into their own locks. I hope this info helps . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I was having problems with the brass blanks until I started using B440 (union) blanks instead and have not had one back since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Did I read that right? B440? If I get any more problems I might try that one Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 B440 blanks!!!! are these not Steel!!! Steel blanks operating against Brass Levers !!!!!! Ther may be trouble ahead as the song goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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