Gray Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Could someone please explain to me and many others like me I'm sure, about transponder keys, all the variations, what machine does what. Fixed head, battery head, Crypto? I've looked at so many posts my heads bursting. Someone please simplify it. £10.00 donation to this site for the best answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Could someone please explain to me and many others like me I'm sure, about transponder keys, all the variations, what machine does what. Fixed head, battery head, Crypto? I've looked at so many posts my heads bursting. Someone please simplify it. £10.00 donation to this site for the best answer. pm sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 simplest answer is some like silca rw4 clone to fixed transponders and battery heads , jma machine to fixed transponders and tpx heads, the best are the AD900 pro and the zed bull that will clone to fixed transponders , some crypto transponders , battery heads , tpx keys and have eeprom functions too. whats best for you will depend upon what you wish to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key cabin Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 If you get a good reply to your post could you pop it onto this subject so we call all understand it. I bought a TRS 9000 and have had so many problems trying to understand why it will copy some but not others. This machine will only copy fixed head transponders and needed a seperate box to copy TPX 1 and TPX 2 transponders. Every now and then we get an upgrade so that we can copy more transponders, but i find that other machines are much more advanced and get upgrades much earlier than us. As i have paid a lot of money for this machine it would'nt be cost efective to buy another one just to be able to copy a few more transponders. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 you really need to decide what you want to do ie clone keys in the shop on a cloner i would recomend the ad900pro i love mine.but nowadays most keys we do need to be programmed into the car witha diagnostic machine i use a ad100 pro.but buy offering this service means you cant be in the shop doing shoes and serving etc when programing keys so not really for the one man band.keys can somtimes be programmed in in a few minutes but other times you can still be their an hour or so later.most fixed code phillips chip ie tpo5 chipped transponders are starting to disapear now like the non transponder car key as cars are getting older moast cars from about 2001 have crypto keys and only a few can be cloned. battery head keys are not a good idea they are expensive to buy in but be aware if you use keyline battery heads they will work fine but in about 3-5years the battery will go flat and the key will loose the code and no longer start the car imagine the original has been lost by that stage the customer is stranded untill an auto locksmith will go out to the car and programme in a real key not a battery head.you will then probabaly have one irate customer on his way back to your shop to complain about the failed key. but the silca eh2 battery head keys will loose battery power the same but they can be opened and a new 2032 battery popped in and it will remember the code and start to work again.so in my opinion a battery head key is only a quick fix.all the keys that can be copied onto battery heads can allso be copied onto dry chips called tpx1 and tpx2 chips and these need no battery so should not fail in the future.the only car that seems to give a problem on a tpx1 chip is the early ford fiesta on a red top when the red master is missing it can be cloned direct onto a battery head or a tpx but the tpx tens not to work on this model so for a clone in the shop we use a silca eh2 battery head but give the customer a spare 2032 battery to keep in the ash tray for future use.but recomend we book their car in for a few hours and cut and programme them a new red master and a real dry chip red toped key just like the day it left the showroom and then they can programme their own in the future. you could go on and on all day on this subject but the anser is if you are considering ivesting stick to ad products and monitor which type of keys you are being asked for to help you decide to buy a cloner or a programmer i have the ad100pro and the ad900pro. websites to have a look at are advancedkeys.co.uk 3dgroupuk.com hickleys.co.uk advanceddiagnostics.com also have a look at the tutorial i done programming in an original vauxhall vectra 2005 remote key. hopes this helps some Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Even i understood that reply keyvan rlj. You do realise that the way you phrased your offer of a donation guarantees the forum a tenner regardless of the answers given as one has to be the best even with a bunch of crappy answers Cheers, Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 just to add to this excellent post, if you want a machine that does more then it will cost, you cant get better than ad900 pro and zed bull for coverage, and eeprom functions, peter southerns version too is excellent, and his back up im told is the best in the industry. However these machines are of more use to a locksmith as have far more options than standard cloning machines, eeprom functions alone are superb. But these super duper machines are not good to you if just wanting to clone, other than they give you the option to clone onto battery heads and tpx heads as well as fixed code chips and low cost 4c chips and blank chips, so chip costs are far better. battery heads are often more reliable to clone but have a limited life and are big and bulky, bigger than original keys and cannot be used with attached fobs, now TPX1 and TPX2 chips are sold seperately they can be used in all transponder shells and remotes including manufacturer remotes, so far more versatile and practical than battery heads, and as they are under continuous improvement and far more reliable each batch they are often the best choice. your machine is covered for tpx technology so is a good viable machine as a pure cloner, for more coverage and coverage of battery heads and tpx and fixed code chips, then you really need to look at the zed bull or AD900 machines as far more future proof, and even if not considering eeprom etc yet, it may be a direction your business takes you, and if so these are the machines for you. If you want almost total coverage, then this will involve eeprom at some stage, or AD100 pro, and visits to the car to get immob box to take back remove the eeprom chip and work on in your shop, though customer can deliver this to you, so can still be a shop based service, an AD100 Pro gives you the option of programming through the cars obd socket, i believe zed bull are offering this facility soon as well with the zed bull on selected makes. if new to this area of work but really wanting to offer almost full coverage so going the eeprom route then the machine sold by lockdecoders.com is same price same functions, but superb back up and support is offered from someone who does the job day in and out and whose knowledge is about the best in the business, which can be invaluable. Hickleys and advanced diagnostics who sell the zed bull and ad900 machines also offer back up in office hours and an excellent forum to get help and advice from. so this really is down to what you want to be able to do now and in the future, and buying a machine geared up for the future with updates etc is the most sensible buy, and currently the zed bull and ad900 machines are best for this, and will not become as outdated as other machines anywhere near as quickly. you can start with the basic package with both machines and add modules relevent to which direction your business takes you so always relevent to you and your business needs, and both offer a trade in for your current machine. I know its hard to pay out for a more up to date machine when just paying alot of money for another machine, but sometimes necessary, long term they are the best to buy from the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I know its hard to pay out for a more up to date machine when just paying alot of money for another machine, but sometimes necessary, long term they are the best to buy from the outset. Excellent replies so far. =D> I'd go for Zed-BULL, AD900Pro, or Key Crypt, as these are the front runners in this technology. Don't sell yourself short, Charge well for future investment, You need to be pricing this type of work at between £60-£75 per key on Texas & Crypto, £40 seems a fair price on Fixed code (T5/Sokymat) Then investment in Advanced Diagnostics products like AD100Pro or MVP Pro if you want to move in to programming direct to the car rather than on the bench. Transponder ID Information RW2-3-4 Transponder ID Codes.zip TPX1 TPX2.zip SHR_JUL.zip Transponder conversion Table.zip TRP Legend.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 That is well put down. We one of the original cloning and eeprom functions machines. Only TM pro was there before us, so we have at least a year on our other opposition. We started with transpronics and key-crypt, but due to advances in processors and what they can do we totally remade our machine and call it the "Key-Crypt Pro". We have a few unique functions that the others do not have at the moment. All our software is in 1 pc program and not 3 to 4 different ones. This can be a minefield for the computer fobbies amounst us. Also by pushing 2 buttons you can update both the pc software and the device software. So no need to be asking for updates. Advanced Diagnostics call this the AD900 Pro. If you do buy there version you will still need to come to us for the eeprom functions. Thanks for the mention from Rapid Locksmiths. We do try to give the best backup of any machine on the market. It is no good buying a machine and struggling with backup. We are practicing autolocksmiths and run our own backup and support for all our products and run a help forum. If you go to the news section you will find we have posted a special offer on our machine with different packages. This is valid until the end of June 2009. Or you can call me on 07989476285 Pete Oh on another note: We dont make you download and run microsoft.net framework, which can take an hour to 2 to do and also puts another user in your user settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKS_User Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Simple Answer Step 1) Decide you want to do transponder keys Step 2) ??? Step 3) PROFIT!!! \:D/ Ahem TRS5000 - Fixed code, Texas Chip (Red and Blue), Nissan Philips Crypto (NB: Uses fixed chips for Texas) RW4 - As above, plus Seat/VW Phillips Crypto 1st and 2nd Gen., (NB: Uses battery heads for Texas) Zedbull/AD900/Keycrypt - As above plus Vauxhall Phillips Crypto, Peugeot Phillips Crypto (NB: Uses battery heads but can use fixed chips with additional upgrade unit) Personally when we sell these machines, the general advice is spend what you can afford, if you're short of capital at the moment, it's often not worth streching to the more expensive models unless you have some kind of guarenteed demand for the additional keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 what a good thread with some very sensible posts and information. is there any training available for eeprom from the suppliers apart from the 1 day zedbull at hickleys. do lockdecoders offer any ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Thanks for all the replies fellas, excellent posts, I shouldn't have expected anything less really, its made things a lot clearer. Thanks for the PM Craig i may take you up on that. Also Tels attachments are really useful. I'm torn between the Keycrypt pro and the AD900 depends on the best price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 rlj that mistake again made by many , " depends upon price " forget initial price as your deciding factor and look at value , which offers you most in way of support and back up , updates and which is more future ready so is usefull and up to date for the longer time , as the machine thats most up to date and remains the most usefull for the longest time is surely the best buy, as earns you money longer , buying price isnt always the best value price, so far more to consider than initial cost only. No other commercially available eeprom training exists at moment, hickleys day is very good intro to this, basic stuff isnt that hard to do, it does cost to set up in, but practice makes perfect, and the advice of others really helps with this. ALA may well do something for its members, but i know of no other worthwhile ones on offer. It wouldnt surprise me to suddenly see this on offer commercially, as many of the shoddy trainers will no doubt do the hickleys day and offer an auto course specialising in this, teaching you to desolder an 8 leg chip , read and write it and resolder it, tell you all chips are the same and to fill your boots, but as in all things the reality is somewhat more complex and the repurcussions somewhat expensive. so if this training becomes available, check out the course, as pointless being trained by someone whos only experience is the hickleys day, this is an area at present to be cautious in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samtheman Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 i bought the trs5000 - which is very good - the chips are expensive but the prices are starting to fall this in my mind is making them very very profitable and easy to use. recommended and worth the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 We do offer training for our machines including what to do once you have the immo unit off the car to starting the vehicle. And we supply after care service including remotely seing what you are doing and helping you. We suggest everybody who does buy our equipment does come on 1 of our classes. Maximum 3 people per class, So people who have bought this can get to ask all the questions and get the answers and being showed this. Unfortunately the price that both AD and ourselves will be the same. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 One of your members has bought our Key-crypt Pro and our Omega kit. This is due to the very explanations posted here. We have made a £50.00 donation to this forum for allowing us to post here as i know that it costs money to run these. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidlocks Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 =D> well done mate =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 =D> =D> =D> =D> Good for you Pete =D> =D> =D> =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdecoders Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Another donation to shoerepairers as another member has bought our Key-Crypt Pro with the cloning kit. Thanks to you. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 =D> =D> =D> =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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