CLARKS mens and ladies shoes GLUE?

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

Most folk use the wrong primers.

There a still many differing components making up PUR and each chemist makes the mix to suit individual manufacturers according to their needs. One adheshive mastered for one manufacturer will not suffice for all the other manufacturers.(not as at this moment in time anyway).

 

The problem will be compounded when they start to use Thermoplastic PUR universally. Then you realy will have problems, some of those that defy adhesive application my already belong to this group of Polymers.

[bkb]

indubadably. you are most correct in your assumtion. i think

bkb

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

[kobblers]

i do not use any prmers at all the way i prepare the clarks and thermo shoes is as follows pour some kumzoff in a jar apply to sole and heel of shoe and rub briskly with a saude brush but do not bend shoe whilst doing this or it will break up leave to dry for five to ten mins then brush of the the crumbs that form with astiff brush and apply either the renia ortec or syntic and finish as normal

 

I actually got chance to see elfman showing me this method yesterday, gotta say I was sceptical but the result was fantastic I think it was renia De-sohl he was using instead of kumzoff on this occasion though?

 

As they say: 'Stuck like sh*% to a blanket'

 

I've never seen so many old tools in my life, including a gadget that attaches to those three pronged lasts to give you a heel support Post a pic elfman

 

Rick.

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Yes Paul knows his adhesives, He sent me an information sheet on adhesives & their uses.

I now use Renia Syntic to good effect.

[Guest darrenbooth]

if you get something back and your pretty sure your glue and primer is still not going to work do yourself a favour go down the hardware store and buy some glue called gorrila glue.it has to be left overnight and it expands a little so don't use a lot but it will stickall the shittiest plastics man has invented .just peel exsess of and polish or spray die as normal.this is not something we use all the time as it is exspensive but it will keep your custumer happy.

[kobblers]

Gorilla glue is an expanding urethane adhesive very similar to expanding foam that reacts with moisture and as far as I'm aware it's not flexible enough for soles.

 

Great on oak though \:D/

 

Rick.

[kobblers]

Probably good for those crappy, thin walled, plastic heel blocks on mens's shoes that you can't pin top pieces to properly, due to the fact it will expand and grab the inside of the heel block wall as well as the top.

 

Rick.

[Lee]

i do not use any prmers at all the way i prepare the clarks and thermo shoes is as follows pour some kumzoff in a jar apply to sole and heel of shoe and rub briskly with a saude brush but do not bend shoe whilst doing this or it will break up leave to dry for five to ten mins then brush of the the crumbs that form with astiff brush and apply either the renia ortec or syntic and finish as normal

 

I actually got chance to see elfman showing me this method yesterday, gotta say I was sceptical but the result was fantastic I think it was renia De-sohl he was using instead of kumzoff on this occasion though?

 

As they say: 'Stuck like sh*% to a blanket'

Rick.

 

Your remark touched a nerve today Rick as although they had returned for new heels I had some shoes in today that had begun to fail, so I had a go at Elfmans method on this pair & then another & another & another.......

 

Can't beleive how much it alters the strength of the bond! AMAZING & implemented as standard here at Cobb-Lees.

 

thanks Elfman

 

Lee

[kobblers]

Great stuff.

 

Did you use De-sohl or Kumzof and was your method exactly the same?

 

Rick.

[Lee]

kumzoff, same method as described

 

Lee

[elfman]

kumzoff would be my preferred choice if i could get hold of it rick but desohl is a good enough subsitute

[kobblers]

Why can't you get kumzoff?

 

Rick.

[Hugh-Candoit (ENG)]

I believe you can get "Kumzoff" (F.Ball & Co) but it is only supplied in Litre containers (could be Half litre).

Elfman saying that he does not use primers yet he is using Zumzoff and Desohl as a type of primer.

Proper way to prefpare these subsatances is with "Satreat" manufactured under licence I think from SATRA, try Bostic.

After using Satreat which by the way is a Wipe....you can then use Bostic 50/50. The Streat is meat to be wiped over the surface to remove various substances that migrate to the surface after scouring or heating.

Elfman uses Kumzioff to this effect and his method is good practice in the abscence of Satreat or a similiar product.

It is important to remember that the substance being stuck to PUR sole units should be of the same or greater flexibility than the original compound.

[elfman]

i have tried to order kumzoff from 3 sources

 

algeos answer, no longer available sent desohl as alternative

healys answer, see above

birchs answer ,asked for kumzoff if not then desohl will do ,answer as above but no desohl either so sent birch tek no 1 instead.

 

hugh if you read the post on the way i do it , i do use the word wipe as for the substances that are used to repair this type of shoe ,i would have thought it was common knowledge to use a like for like material,if you dont then you are asking for problems

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T Colledge and Son seem to have plenty

Caswells Kumzoff 1 litre

Price: £5.46

 

[algsoul]

i use a thin bead of super glue put around sole edge and a bit in the centre.

work in very fast with a bit of old rag and leave to set for a few mins.

then use you fave glue.

works ok for me.

[kobblers]

Yup. that method works too but the smell is unbearable

 

Rick.

[algsoul]

i use a thin bead of super glue put around sole edge and a bit in the centre.

work in very fast with a bit of old rag and leave to set for a few mins.

then use you fave glue.

works ok for me.