keithm Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Yeah, 50p a go \:D/ plus P&P £15-00 + Vat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Whats wrong with sharpening your own cutters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 phuket knows, if you are confident and dont mind doing them, but h&s in europe may interfere so sharpen them all now while you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 As long as I have a stone, I'll do em myself.............Interfereing T##ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 As long as I have a stone, more like 18 stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 As long as I have a stone, more like 18 stone Thats me Pete Can H&S get involved if you work alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 h&s can get involved if you work alone, they are not as hot but they also look out for customers. they might say that if the stone shattered it could hit someone on the other side of the counter. most times if you are reasonable and explain the work process it is ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 OK, Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Some reading material An abrasive wheel is usually defined as a wheel consisting of abrasive particles bonded together using organic or inorganic substances such as resin. LEGISLATION Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (PUWER 98) Supply of Machinery (Safety) Regulations 1992 (as amended) HAZARDS Includes wheel breakage/bursting, contact or entanglement with running wheel, physical injury from component being ground, noise and dust inhalation. The risk of breakage is inherent in every abrasive wheel. Statistics show that nearly half of all accidents involving abrasive wheels are due to an unsafe system of work or operator error. PROVISION & USE OF WORK EQUIPMENT REGULATIONS 1998 (PUWER) The primary objective of PUWER is to ensure that work equipment, including abrasive wheels, do not give rise to risks to health and safety, regardless of the work equipment’s age, condition or origin. PUWER applies to all workplaces and work situations subject to the Health and Safety at Work Etc. Act 1974 (HASWA) and revoked the remaining provisions of the Abrasive Wheels Regulations 1970. PUWER requires all machinery to be suitable for it’s intended use; to be properly maintained; and that persons using, supervising or managing the use of abrasive wheels are fully informed and adequately trained for health and safety purposes. The Approved Code of Practice and Guidance to the Regulations contains the following advice, specific to the use of abrasive wheels: (a) To minimise the risk of bursting, abrasive wheels should always be run within the specified maximum rotation speed. ( If they are large enough, this will be marked on the wheel (a requirement of regulation 23) © Smaller wheels should have a notice fixed in the workroom, giving the individual or class maximum permissible rotation speed. (d) The power driven spindle should be governed so that its rotation speed does not exceed this. (e) Guarding must be provided to contain fragments of the wheel that might fly off if it did burst, to prevent them from injuring anyone in the workplace. The guarding has an additional role in helping to meet the requirements of regulation 11; it should be designed, constructed and maintained to fulfil both functions. (f) Providing information and training of workers in the correct handling and mounting of abrasive wheels (including pre-mounting and storing procedures) is also necessary to prevent the risk of bursting. HSE’s Guidance Document ‘Safety in the Use of Abrasive Wheels’ (HSG17) expands on how the general requirements of PUWER relate to abrasive wheels and should be read in conjunction with the PUWER Code of Practice. Dust, vibration and noise matters are dealt with in other guidance documents. PRECAUTIONS/SAFETY MEASURES Given an abrasive wheel is of sound manufacture, mounted on a well–designed machine, safe operation depends largely on proper maintenance and on the treatment to which the wheel is subjected when in use. The following are among the main operating precautions to consider. Each is further explained and discussed in the guidance publication HSG17 and detailed information is also given on the marking systems for wheels, suitable storage facilities, mounting procedures and tables of maximum permissible speeds for each type of wheel. Reference to this document is essential if you use abrasive wheels at work. Training -Regulation 9 of PUWER requires all persons using, supervising and managing work equipment to receive adequate training for the purposes of health and safety. HSG17 suggests the components that should be included in a training programme and recommends that a record of training be kept. A suggested format is given as follows: Appointment Revocation Name of Person Class or description of wheels for which the appointment is made Date of appointment Signature of occupier Date of revocation of appointment Signature of occupier Examination -by visual examination and, if practicable, by 'ring' test with a light non-metallic implement. Also need careful handling and secure/suitable storage. Speed of rotation –·is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT as the centrifugal force increases as the square of the speed. Recommended peripheral speed must never be exceeded. Restrictions of use-·Certain markings will indicate restrictions of use, eg: RE3: not suitable for wet grinding Shelf life-All organic bonded wheels will bear a use-by date of three years from the date of manufacture. Grinding Machine Considerations include suitability of spindles; machine bearings; speed contol; work rests (steel, renewable top plate, securely clamped, adjustable); insufficient power; stopping devices; magnetic tables and chucks; proper mounting of wheels; guarding; wheel enclosure angles specified for various types of machine; portable, hand held, internal combustion and pneumatic grinders; electrical considerations (double insulated, abrasion resistant cabling, reduced voltage); planned inspection and maintenance; tidy work environment/even floor surface around machine. Operation--Wheel to be 'trued & dressed' (to avoid excessive vibration, impaired cutting action) and balanced.Side grinding is dangerous unless operator is competent in its application in specific circumstances.Choice of grinding fluids may adversely affect strength of wheel if chosen incorrectly.Dust from the grinding of magnesium alloys can create a fire and explosion risk if ignited and fatalities have resulted when clothing has caught fire and explosions have occurred in dust extraction and settling systems. Precautionary measures include: ‘the prohibition of smoking, open lights, fire and other causes of ignition; the provision of appliances for the interception, removal and drenching of dust by exhaust appliances and scrubbers; and the provision of protective clothing. Dust extraction and settling systems should be kept clean and free from deposits of dried sludge, which must be removed from the scrubber and the work room.Eye protection/shields must be used when using power-driven cutting off wheel, truing or dressing or dry grinding where there is a risk of injury from thrown particles. Loose clothing, ties, coat sleeves are easily drawn into a revolving wheel and should not be worn. CHECKLIST - ABRASIVE WHEELS 1. Have you informed and adequately trained those involved in the use, mounting, supervision of persons to mount abrasive wheels? YES NO 2. Have you recorded relevant details of the above training and distribution of information,instructions, etc.? YES NO 3. Do you have a procedure/system for maintaining your grinding machine? YES NO 4. Do you keep records of maintenance/inspections of machines? YES NO 5. Do you provide & maintain suitable eye protection/shields/dust protection? YES NO 6. .Do you provide suitable storage for abrasive wheels? YES NO 7. Do you check that safety precautions are being observed? YES NO REFERENCES/FURTHER DETAILS Publications 1. Booklet HS(G)17 Safety in the use of Abrasive Wheels (HSE) (ISBN 0 7176 1739 4)(2000) (£7.00) 2. Booklet L22 Safe Use of Work Equipment – Approved Code of Practice and Guidance on Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (HSE) (ISBN 0 7176 1626 6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I'll summarize that in two words Common Sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Correct But mostly ingnored which means accidents WILL happen and that will just fuel the EU fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I'll bet that those sharpening their own cutters do not have a wheel dresser as defined in the act!!! Psst.. wanna buy one If new cutters cost £25 plus post then a resharpening charge should be £8 plus post & packaging. You could of course bypass EU rulings and sharpen them at home with a drill in a bench holder wityh an abour holding the white stone complete with paper discs. Match the speed of the drill so that it does not exceed the rating speed on the disc and bobs yer uncle. Get yer goggles on and a mask though and make sure that nothing flammable is anywhere near to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I used to have a stand alone cutter sharpener, can't remember what happened to it. Are these still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I used to have a stand alone cutter sharpener I'm a stand alone cutter sharpener, I grind mine after closing when no ones about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 this machine was about as big as a tibbe machine. It was quite good, but it was years ago and I can't remember what happened to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 i saw a company within the trade who sharpen cutters professionally 'tungsten carbide ' or 'alloy carbides,' i have been looking for there phone number - any one know it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Annolloy Ltd Postal Address 135 Garth Road Morden Surrey SM4 4LA Telephone 020 8330 2211 Facsimile 020 8330 5599 Email sales@Annolloy.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k4mrc Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 thanks tel, i couldn't remember the name as they changed it! you is the man!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 they changed their name twice? be good to know if they still offer this service as they no longer supply the cutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Seems like good opportunity for a retired Repairer if they no longer carry out this service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Seems like good opportunity for a retired Repairer if they no longer carry out this service. where would a retired repairer get the machines, skills and knowledge to sharpen tungsten cutters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 For the cost of a replacement Tungsten cutter and how little you have to replace them, once every 2 years approx, why would you want them sharpened? Remember they will never be as smooth once sharpened It's like sharpening key cutting blades, pointless in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 For the cost of a replacement Tungsten cutter and how little you have to replace them, once every 2 years approx, why would you want them sharpened? Remember they will never be as smooth once sharpened It's like sharpening key cutting blades, pointless in my opinion I thought the Cutting Edge Committe was behind the 'Repair-Reuse-Recycle' ideology? With metal becoming more and more expensive and with the impact on the environment of producing goods made from steel and the like wouldn't it make good sense to follow your own motto instead of just binning something because you deem it not worth it? Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I take your point Ascap, but it's a matter of choice. I for one, have never found a tungsten cutter to be the same following sharpening. Sharpening any cutter, key or heel, removes some metal by the nature of the excercise, therefore, changing it's performance. Lets face it, your only talking every two years or so. Also, why would you want to compromise your business by using an inferior tool. Like most tools, it has a life cycle, they all come to an end sooner or later. However, when you consider how long most of the tools and machines are kept and used within the shoe repair trade, I believe we are one of the 'greenest' trades around As far as the 'Cutting Edge Committee' is concerned, I resigned last year Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Was it that bad having to attend the meetings? Shame. Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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