petercoulson Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 much as i hate to defend Keith, cough cough, there is a version of a standard outsole stitcher that was not made in any quantity and there is no interest in making parts although we do make them for no 1 and no 2 stitchers of which there are many many machines still in use. the problem for us is low manufacture costs and as is the case with stitchers that are very old it is quite often the case that if you change one part you end up having to change several others to match. some people ask for parts for machines that were last made in 1950 and get upset when you tell them no, try getting parts from ford for a 1600E Mk2 Cortina last made in about 1972, you have to go to a specialist or get made yourself. we try to help where we can but sometimes people expect too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 ask for parts for machines that were last made in 1950 and get upset when you tell them no, try getting parts from ford for a 1600E Mk2 Cortina last made in about 1972, you have to go to a specialist or get made yourself. we try to help where we can but sometimes people expect too much And here was little old me thinking that Standard & Siserve were the specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 we bought all the K&B parts left, although not that many but we now manufacture some of the parts so may be able to help, dont we also owe you some bands UK900? if you let us know what machine and/or sizes will get sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 yes and if the specialist doesnt have it you make yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Cheers Peter. I agree with Peter & Keith on this, You just can't keep every old piece of junk going forever, unless you are prepared to pay high prices for parts specially made for these old relics. Sometimes you have to call it a day & move on. But you'll never convince some of the old un's this is the case, they'll expect Peter or Keith to pop in the workshop for ten minits, and knock out there spare parts. You can't question there ability as engineers, Sometimes it's just not economical, and most of these customers wouldn't want to pay the cost of manufacturing these obsolete bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 careful there, never said junk, some machines are good but too old and expensive to repair, pedersens for instance. and as for question my ability as an engineer that happens all the time - normally when they get the bill...................... as some may know i am good at getting machines repaired but i am not an engineer, have trouble identifying which of our machines is a lathe! but thank you anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windycity Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 well my old stitchers pretty ancient, it atkes up more room than a finisher, it shakes the shop so much you have to wear old diving boots when using it, all the 2001 different moving parts have names like that round thingy that goes up and down and when peter pops in for coffee and cake he just shakes his head and laughs so embarressment might make me get a recon one some time, also what would one do with all the extra time on ones hands when u have to change awl or needle in a simple nice recon way not having to make big ajustments for the rickety old timing thingy. May be peter/keith my shop could be a show home for your stitchers, finishers etc ... kind regards paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lee Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 I just thought I’d give you this little story, which you can have a snigger & a laugh at! I brought a Standard outsole stitcher a few years back, they sent an “Engineer†Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Well Hugh, it's a bit rich of you to comment on this subject when you know nothing about what we stock, what we make and the quality of our engineers We will support as many machines as is possible and like Peter, get people out of the creek, as often as possible. You have tried to stir up this argument before, but then, as now, you will fail. You talk about having the parts made. If you really understood what goes into making or having parts made, then , maybe, you would have a valid argument Shoe repairers often complain that parts are TOO expensive when they buy threaders To start having some 60 year old parts made would be suicide for a Company if it could not sell the parts and make a profit. We have a superb workshop here, manned by quality engineers, where we make many parts for our machines and intend to invest in this area further, shortly, so please don't tell me what we can and can't do, you have NO idea. One of Whitfields problems was brought about because of a similar situation. Thankfully, we are now more successfull and those days are behind us. Please don't judge us or anyone until you KNOW that you have the evidence to support your arguement. Now please go back to your knitting. Keith ps UK900, yes we do stock parts for K&B stitchers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Cheers Keith, and well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 If your going to make a post Hugh, lets have some substance. Not "O yes I do" & "I ain't going to expand on that" Because we could all say that, but without the proof your comments are worthless and irritating to other members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windycity Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 hello i'm not one for commenting on things i don't know about but you always have to offer mechanic/engineers cooffee and cake it seems to soften them up a touch and instead of condeming our ancient worn out, no one else can use our tempremental machines, they might say well may be you should talk to your accountant about whetther you need another loan coming out of the company... if have affended you chaps with this well i'm a shoe repairer we're good at that come on chaps lighten up, peter and keiths firms have all got us out the poo some time or other.. kind regards paul east twick. ps has any one got any spare bench nibbler blades ? and what do you think of this rendenbach lark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Keith & Peter are great forum members, Post regular, and are always positive and helpfull. so it's a little annoying when other members try to be clever and undermine them, and there abilities. Ain't got no nibbler blades. rendenbach great product, but a little on the expensive side. By the way welcome to the forum Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 So you want me to publish items that would be detrimental to a company on this forum and do some considerable damage to that company? Shame on you, I thought you were on their side! I would not stoop so low, not even when provoked or bullied. They deserve a new start, let the brooms sweep clean. Is it not irritating to members accused of not knowing what they talkabout? Keith has not a clue of my knowledge, he only knows of me through this forum so how can he judge me? It is enough for you to know only that I can substatiate if I lowered myself to that level, which I would not. Any direct complaint would go to the company not hung out like dirty linen on this forum and as I as "Hugh" do not have a complaint (only questions I reiterate once again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 what a load of old bull By the way I'm not who I say I am, I'm better than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 what a load of old bull By the way I'm not who I say I am, I'm better than that So you believe If you dont believe it no-one else will. you can fool some of the people some of the time but you..................... so the saying goes I think. And if you cant think of suitable answers just write- load of crap, load of rubbish, load of bull, etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 So you want me to publish items that would be detrimental to a company on this forum and do some considerable damage to that company? Yes we do!! Dish the dirt so we all know what company to avoid spending our hard earnt with, sometimes I think your just a Virtual Cobbler that think he knows everything....but then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 So you want me to publish items that would be detrimental to a company on this forum and do some considerable damage to that company? Yes we do!! Dish the dirt so we all know what company to avoid spending our hard earnt with, sometimes I think your just a Virtual Cobbler that think he knows everything....but then.. He knows everything about everything, but doesn't want to lower his self to our standards by proving it Put up or shut up you daft old begger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 now now arent we getting a little out of hand again? hugh be do makes people think as do a lot of the forum members with their comments eh uk900........ we can all learn a little more than we know but asking hugh to expand and people think war and peace is a thick book. without members like this it wouldnt encourage people like me to log on and see what is going on. keep it going everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 I agree with you there Peter, all imput is good for the forum. But This "I know more than anyone about everything" but I can't tell you who or how I know, as if he were a member of the SS. If he was so popular on the curcuit, why does no one know him?? For someone to openly say He knows exactly what Keith has on the selves of his company is bull. To be an expert on marketing/shoe repairing/watch repairing/hand engraving/engineering etc etc... If he'd have put all this expertism to good use in his working years, He might have been able to afford the travelling expenses to the sandown show. instead of trying to deride everyones efforts involved in setting up the superb show. But I do like some of his Fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 And we enjoy some of his friction! Makes for entertaining reading. Sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Beware of the long winded explanation comeing soooooon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 [He knows everything about everything, but doesn't want to lower his self to our standards by proving it Put up or shut up you daft old begger Well you got part of it right. As for putting up or shutting up!!! are you trying your bully boy tactics again by any chance? If things need to be proven then they will be done so out of earshot of gossip mongers and washerwomen. I'm surpised at you Tel, did not think you would try to egg people on to dastardly deeds As for uk900, nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 I aint no bully, just wondered what gave you the right to undermine standard engineering. If you don't like being challenged for your comments, then you shouldn't make the sort of comments that are sure to raise questions which you don't like answering. But your right Nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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