Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 My old Victor doesn't get much use these days and gets gummed up standing. WD40 is brilliant for softening up the liquid stitcher wax on the rollers etc. Might work on others too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Why not clean the wax and old gunk off the rollers so you do not have to soften it. This would allow you to use the Stitcher straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I use cold system, waxed threads on my K&B outsole sticher. WD40 cleans and lubricates a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Thanks Hugh but a quick squirt of WD40 is more time productive than dismantling and cleaning rollers after every job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 put the WD40 in the bin & use a good oil! I wouldn't run my car engine on WD40 & you shouldn't run your stitcher on it either, its good for thinning existing oil, cleaning or protecting metal but it should not be used for lubrication! its easy to use WD40 because it sprays, but there is an alternative!get your self a pampered chief kitchen spritzer! Rhiannon got me mine, or rather I commandeered hers, it works perfectly! fill with your chosen grade of oil, pump up & spray! Ideal for the outsoler! use your oil can for the oil ways & you spray for the rollers, but don't prematurely age your outsoler using a thin grade oil, like WD40! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Lee I dont lubricate my old girl with WD40, i soften her sticky bits with WD40 then give her a good oiling! She's as old as me I take care of her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 From the WD-40 website WD-40 cleans/degreasesis a light lubricant degreases, means it thins down any lubricant you are using on the old girl! Personally I would never use a "light lubricant" or "degreaser" on a precision piece of kit such as an outsoler. As hugh says spend some time cleaning the machine up, oil it correctly & you'll actually save time in the long run! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Lee you are missing my point. My old Victor is awash in oil. Down every hole up every orifice. Testament to the fact that is still as good as the day it was new 56 years ago! I was merely stating that WD40 is good for softening wax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 put the WD40 in the bin & use a good oil! I'll agree with that, WD40 has got it's uses, but it is not a lubricant (where on the can does it state it is a lubricant?) Also, NEVER use as a lock lubricant, it isn't one, yes it will clean & give an instant cure, but when it has dried, so has the lock components & will end up worst than when you started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 ffs i never said it was a lubricant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Oh i get your winding me up. oh look there is a big key in my back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 it's not about winding anyone up! I've been criticised for some of my practices right here on the forum myself from time to time. listening to the different view points is a good way of assessing yourself & your business from time to time. you don't have to agree with everything, that what makes some of the best debates! Lee you are missing my point. My old Victor is awash in oil. Down every hole up every orifice. Testament to the fact that is still as good as the day it was new 56 years ago! I was merely stating that WD40 is good for softening wax. I'm not missing the point rlj, I fully understand what you are saying, but when you are sparying WD40 all over the wax to soften it, it WILL run into oil ways & moving parts & by its very nature degrease/thin down the oil you have lavished on it in the past. net result, thin oil that isn't lubricating correctly. your machine is not running from start up efficiently or you wouldn't need to be doing something with the wax on it in the first place. clean the machine up & oil it correctly!don't use WD40 for a quick fix. never cure the symptom (not running from start up smoothly) always cure the disease (thick wax!) Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 lee do you have a victor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 lee do you have a victor? He had one that was wrecked by the previous owner using WD40 as a lubricant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 lee do you have a victor? No. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Lee, A. do you own a victor? B. Do you know the rollers i am refering to which are knowhere near any lubrication points, and C. does any one else have a Victor that knows what i am talking about. Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gardner Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 i have a goodyear and a victor outsole stitcher when i got both they had been smothered in wax rollers were seized and not running freely, i stripped both machines gave a good thorough clean with parrifan freed off all the rolers emptied the wax pots completaly oiled all the bits that shoul be oiled and rethreaded with netherstrand thread with no wax in the pot and both stitch perfectaly.and with no wax the rollers aint going to seize up again.if only netherstrand thread was available when these machines were originaly made i would have saved myself hours of labour stripping and cleaning the things. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Lee, A. do you own a victor? No. B. Do you know the rollers i am refering to which are knowhere near any lubrication points use your oil can for the oil ways & you spray for the rollers C. does any one else have a Victor that knows what i am talking about. PleaseOh i get your winding me up. oh look there is a big key in my back. don't take any off it personally rlj, we all enjoy it really! good to have you on the forum. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hi thekeyvan, I use prewaxed in the shuttle (heated) and 6 cord reverse twist in the bottom thread which i run through liquid wax which gums up on the rollers. Which is why i give a quick burst of WD40. But it seems to have been taken out of all proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 whilst i will not condone or condem the use of wd40 on the stitcher ,i know of an outsoler that was built in 1939 and has only been cleaned twice in the last 20 years with liquid parrifin then oiled and then sprayed with wd40 .the stitcher is still going strong and has never let me down it will stitch 12 pair an hour without missing a stitch and can run all day with no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Thats my point elfman. although i dont lubricate my stitcher with WD40 i object to giving a handy hint and to being made to look like an arse. Point made end of matter!! No hard feelings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Nobody was trying to make you look an arse rlj, you thought that not us! Sorry you feel that way! forums are all about discussion & by starting a topic, you are opening it up to discussion. if my comments offended I apologise & will comment no further. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Like i said point made end of matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 No hard feelings! Only when the Missus is wearing summat sexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 rlj, to make you feel better. i dont condone the use of wd40 on stitchers for lubrication but i know the victor and know exactly what you are on about. for a victor that is a good tip. think the problem is exactly as you pointed out and that is lack of understanding of the victor. glad you take the banter in the right spirit, this time i think you are a winner but theres always next time as someone says, Carry On! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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