ironplanet uk900 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Probably now Hughs told the world we're not any good =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Well that lot's kept you busy for a while Quote from PlanetUK900 But as far as I am aware, you have no expirience. Only corporate. Oh my, how so wrong you are. Manufacture,Multiplex2and Independant. Ex Technical Repair advisor to a number of big Retailers and much more, someones been feeding you a bum steer and it's no secret that I worked for a Multiple Repairer many years ago. I have mentioned it several times. To put you right on another issue where you are misguided, I never said that "Cheanet" Chased Wrinkles (creases) out of shoes. I said that "many manufacturers do". Even some repairers do. Quality Repairer Needed This I believe was the original Request from a customer. My reply in the 1st instance was "Have you tried Cheaney". That in my books is not a recommendation but a simple question. Surprising how many have interpreted this in a much different way. I have not and never will recommend a particular Repairer over another, I give the options available from past experience then let the reader decide what route to take. Please do not read into a post something that is not there but could be, as you may be far from the reality. Love & Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 : Quote from PlanetUK900 But as far as I am aware, you have no expirience. Only corporate. I quoted you on many issues, how come you aint touched on them Quote from Planetuk900, "apart from my moderator duties,I Do not have a duty to anyone elses business, only my own." You told me that I had a duty to the members of this forum. And I'm telling you that I don't, niether does any other member have a duty to anyone else:period. That is where we differ, I have no business to support, I have no monetary gains from the advice I offer. What the hell are you talking about......I do have a company to run, and My family and I run it well, but still find more time than most, (including yourself) to help people on this forum. I have no monetary gains from the advice I offer. What and I do.......I've given more away on here than anybody If you think I only post on here to make money then you have seriously gone down in my estimation. I get more pleasure from helping folk acheive the best than money ever could. That is why my advice is given independently of company or self gain. What the F*** are you talking about, Please explain.... I don't friggin charge for any advice, and there certainly isn't any self gain. Any repairer who thinks that they can effect a repair that even comes close to a manufacturing repair by the original manufacturer(not a contract repair) should purchase a pair of the top brands and send then away for repair, once examined you will realise that all previous posts were just a load of hot air.. Hot air... You presume that you are the one with the ultimate experience that excedes all....all I/we have to go on are fancy statements. I have put my work up to be viewed by all. and I didn't charge, or gain in any way. I cant blame you for thinking on the lines you do as you are not aware of the full extent of the services offered by manufacturers. I am, I use them and can comment from experience and from seeing the job done. But as far as I am aware, you have no expirience. Only corporate. You have never been an independant repairer. A conscientious Independant shoe repairer, who does all his work to the highest possible standard that he possibly can, because it's his business, its his customer. You'll almost never get that mentality from employees. Yes I am proud of my work, And you or nobody else will tell me that an employee at grenson will do a job any better that I will. All that I can do is to offer the best advice available to me from past and present experience. You as the reader do not have to either take this advice or believe it.. You ain't offered any advice for christs sake, your just trying to undermine the independant by saying we ain't as good as the manufacturer. And I say we are. But there is one statement that I would add and it is this. Have I ever taken you down a path that leads in the wrong direction? O Please, thats embarassing. As it is Valentines day I would like to send you all my love Fancy a pint in the cobblers arms, I paying.........with the money I made from this post Called Barkers, but they haven't bothered to call me back as yet. But heres some quotes from them. The Barker Repair ServiceMost Barker shoes can be completely rebuilt by the same craftsmen who made them. Whenever they need repairing, simply take them to your local Barker stockist who will return them to our factory in Earls Barton. Sounds good......... There are certain shoes, however, which cannot be repaired, due to their construction (i.e. non welted), and we will be pleased to advise customers which styles this applies to.. Hang on, are they saying the shoes that they made cannot be repaired because they are non welted. Now to me thats a joke.....If it was made in the first place, then it can be repaired. This is were the quality Shoe repairer beats the manufacturer hands down. They are robots who can only perform one type of job. ie goodyear welted shoes. Us however have learnt to tackle all aspects of shoe repairing, we are the accomplished repairers. If shoes have been repaired by a third party we are, regrettably, unable to offer this service and accept no liability for the quality of the work undertaken. This does not affect your statutory rights... What they are saying is, we can re-manufacture, but if there is any problem we decline the job. Thats because they are only capable of basic re-manufacture. Give them a problem, and they don't want to know. They'll be boxed up and back on your doorstep quicker than you can say "uk900" We are the quality Shoe repairers, and shouldn't feel we can't compete, because we can, and do.......We are the best. Try sending your Barkers back for new back linings.......... Carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Many things happen this week, not least a serious injury affecting every muscle in my decrepit body. But to be truthful it just washes over me, I aint even read 90% of the quotes it's all irrelevent to the first post where the question was asked "have you tried Cheaney". On reflection though, just think what message this banter sends out to the public and the rest of the trade sitting on the fence, when one of the members of the forum is attacked by a Lynch mob for daring to offer information that could take work to the original manufacture of the customers shoes. The Tre has been selected and the Rope adjusted, the Hangmen are jockying for position and all that remains is for the guilty verdict by the silent majority (shortly to follow). In mitigation my lud I plead that it was my own doing that I was the accoplice of a Manufacturing colledge and as such confess to knowledge not gleaned from the Iron Last of perfection. It would seen that there is a consensus of opinion that I Hugh do channel my replies to posts toward the Multiples (or Manufacturers) and that my views are biased in some way. In spite of my constant denial this train of though still seems to permeate through the threads. This makes my position as an Independent advisor on the site tenable and I cannot see a way forward through this thick Fog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest k@lsb Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 i think everyone should calm down,i have to say and i have mentioned this to peter,when i see him, ive never met a group of trade people, who feel that each one is the best in the world.it does make me laugh, this is a open forum ,and the public can read it...or had you all forgot,nothing wrong with having pride..but i tell you what..cobblers locksmiths,etc are all the same...just most feel they are the best..........so thats there look out if it keeps them happy and all that...i often go into and look at other peoples work and shops.and always have a opinion, but sometimes its best just to take everything in ....uk and hugh and others youre all valued members and giggle ,reading this it has made me lol lol i think you to have some issues to sort out lol most of all as long as youre customers keep coming back thats the most important thing ...ps im the bloody best anyway lol lol lol lol lol lol lol if u cant beat them join them lol lol lol lol lol lol calm down calm down calm down........lol lol lol lol theres alot bigger issues going on in the world lol lol lol lol lol lol lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest k@lsb Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 alic alice who the " " " " is alice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I've cracked it......cad He had so much fun first time he decided to start another thread under a different username,kick back and watch the action unfold.....BRILLIANT!! Oh...by the way ...I'm the best..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 well personally i found the whole topic to be a really interesting read if it wasn't for the likes of hugh and uk900 the no.1 topic in the shoe repair section would be: ink wastage How ridiculous is that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 ooooh get you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 The Tree has been selected and the Rope adjusted, the Hangmen are jockying for position and all that remains is for the guilty verdict by the silent majority (shortly to follow).. Hugh whats with the dramatics..... With quotes like this Any repairer who thinks that they can effect a repair that even comes close to a manufacturing repair by the original manufacturer(not a contract repair) should purchase a pair of the top brands and send then away for repair, once examined you will realise that all previous posts were just a load of hot air. I cant blame you for thinking on the lines you do as you are not aware of the full extent of the services offered by manufacturers. And these... That is where we differ, I have no business to support, I have no monetary gains from the advice I offer. What the hell are you talking about......I do have a company to run, and My family and I run it well, but still find more time than most, (including yourself) to help people on this forum. I have no monetary gains from the advice I offer. What and I do.......I've given more away on here than anybody If you think I only post on here to make money then you have seriously gone down in my estimation. I get more pleasure from helping folk acheive the best than money ever could. That is why my advice is given independently of company or self gain. What the F*** are you talking about, Please explain.... I don't friggin charge for any advice, and there certainly isn't any self gain. Any repairer who thinks that they can effect a repair that even comes close to a manufacturing repair by the original manufacturer(not a contract repair) should purchase a pair of the top brands and send then away for repair, once examined you will realise that all previous posts were just a load of hot air.. Hot air... You presume that you are the one with the ultimate experience that excedes all....all I/we have to go on are fancy statements. I have put my work up to be viewed by all. and I didn't charge, or gain in any way. I cant blame you for thinking on the lines you do as you are not aware of the full extent of the services offered by manufacturers. I am, I use them and can comment from experience and from seeing the job done. You can't expect not to get a reaction. You were disrespectful to the shoe repair trade, and you were very personal to me I absolutly respect your second to none knowledge of the trade(really ) but I find some of of your views debatable, and thats why you and I have some great debates. I'm not up for falling out with you, now or in the future. That would only please the morons who tag along at the end of a thread with there dimwit comments, they obviously haven't read the thread, or they are too dumb to take it in i think everyone should calm down,i have to say and i have mentioned this to peter,when i see him, ive never met a group of trade people, who feel that each one is the best in the world.it does make me laugh, this is a open forum ,and the public can read it...or had you all forgot,nothing wrong with having pride..but i tell you what..cobblers locksmiths,etc are all the same...just most feel they are the best..........so thats there look out if it keeps them happy and all that...i often go into and look at other peoples work and shops.and always have a opinion, but sometimes its best just to take everything in ....uk and hugh and others youre all valued members and giggle ,reading this it has made me lol lol i think you to have some issues to sort out lol most of all as long as youre customers keep coming back thats the most important thing ...ps im the bloody best anyway lol lol lol lol lol lol lol if u cant beat them join them lol lol lol lol lol lol calm down calm down calm down........lol lol lol lol theres alot bigger issues going on in the world lol lol lol lol lol lol lol I'll not be too hard on you here k@lsb, as reading your post I expect your only about 7 Nobody in this thread or any other, ever, Have said they think they are the best. As for customers reading this thread, I'd be more worried about them reading your daft crap. This makes my position as an Independent advisor on the site tenable and I cannot see a way forward through this thick Fog. You should worry, its taken me 24 hours to wade through the red mist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 and i thought I was passionate about my job great debate here fellas, it's nice to see folk who have the guts to offer an honest opinion, whether popular or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest k@lsb Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 planet uk ...i like a man/boy with a bit of spirit. i am 5. have a nice weekend look forward to a long hot bath. xxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Just had a hot shower.... After a hard day doing sub-standard shoe repairs . i am 5. Ahhh, sorry that explains it, your quite bright for your age Only you came across as an adult F---wit Right now were this DVD....................................................................................................................................cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 This has to be one of the most interesting threads I have ever had the opportunity to lurk over. I lurk on these boards more often than I post but feel compelled to add to the current thread. This forum has proved it's worth in many ways. It is evident is that there is a high sense of passion, pride and belief in the posters' abilities to defend their views,even if that means falling foul of one anothers' opinions. There will be many more debates to come and I look forward to reading them. I can honestly say that I still have much to learn. I enjoy reading the many posts and tutorials. I feel that without the debates and indifferences offered, life on here would be dull to say the least. Planet and Hugh may not see eye-to-eye on occasion but they sure help us to stay focused and committed to the same objective - the customer. You might not agree but i think a pat on the back is in order - if not just for the sake of having the guts to slog it out. Now, about that pint. Can a geezer get an Indian Pale Ale in this joint. It's been a while since I sampled one of those fine ales. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Thanks for the positive comments Iain, Hugh and I have differing views, especially on the shoe repair scene. I have never met Hugh or seen any of his repairs. But I have no doubt he would be right up there with the best. And I sure respect his enthusiasm. It is never about who is the best, Theres always somebody better!! I am always worried about overstepping the mark and offending , so a friendly PM usually helps keep things in perspective. carry on......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julia Roberts Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Hello all. I read this set of posts and wondered if I was going to get my husbands shoes back in good order. We recieved them back yesterday, and my husband is thrilled to bits. He says they are the best he has ever had done. including many manufacturers repairs. I hope this will help you to come to a conclusion on your views. Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Julia Roberts Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Oops, Thank you planet uk900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 hey, nice one planet glad you got what you wanted julia rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Thanks julia. glad you were pleased. I will post some pics soon, you may find them interestng........then again you might not Hugh will like em though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T. Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hi guys Been reading this post with interest and I am not happy with some of the responses but like the fact we can argue and still be friends.We have the some problem in the states with shoes like Allen Edmonds being re-crafted at the factory.Hugh I will argue with you until I am out of breath because a good and I mean truly good cobbler can do a better job the the factory anyday as Ive seen the Allen Edmonds horrors in person as they are only 45 miles from me.You seem to be so impressed with the last but when they bring them in they have been broken in (stretched out)for comfort and don't forget the insole has settled in and left there loving footprint for personal comfort.You stick them in a the original last and strip the welt off and filler etc. but when you stitch them back on buy machine they very seldom if ever hit the same holes.They overfill the cavity back up and that results in the shoes feeling tight again which is not a desired effect.The only thing I will give them is if they needed a tassle etc.they should have the same leather to match.(big deal).Unfortunately the real companies get so many re-craft jobs is because so many in own trade are not as good as we think we are and thats a bitter pill to swallow. Ray Torcaso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Thank you Ray Hugh will change his mind, he did with the riveted waists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hi guysBeen reading this post with interest and I am not happy with some of the responses but like the fact we can argue and still be friends.We have the some problem in the states with shoes like Allen Edmonds being re-crafted at the factory.Hugh I will argue with you until I am out of breath because a good and I mean truly good cobbler can do a better job the the factory anyday as Ive seen the Allen Edmonds horrors in person as they are only 45 miles from me.You seem to be so impressed with the last but when they bring them in they have been broken in (stretched out)for comfort and don't forget the insole has settled in and left there loving footprint for personal comfort.You stick them in a the original last and strip the welt off and filler etc. but when you stitch them back on buy machine they very seldom if ever hit the same holes.They overfill the cavity back up and that results in the shoes feeling tight again which is not a desired effect.The only thing I will give them is if they needed a tassle etc.they should have the same leather to match.(big deal).Unfortunately the real companies get so many re-craft jobs is because so many in own trade are not as good as we think we are and thats a bitter pill to swallow. Ray Torcaso CLASS POST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Dear Sirs, We thank you for your interest and are pleased that a satisfactory outcome was effected for the customer. There are however several discrepencies within your argument. First one being, "do I as a customer want my shoes to remain baggy and stretched as they were when I bought them in, or do I wish for them to be re-manufactured. Secondly, you cant judge the top manufacturers repairs in the UK (no names)by poor work done by other manufacturers of a standard lower than those companies mentioned previously. Thirdly, we can all (or at least some of us) can pick fault or be critical of even the best produced by anyone if we do so wish. Forthly, I bring you back to my original question to the customer"have you tried cheaney" I was not recommending them, just asking the question as I have again to repeat to you all. What followed was an assault on my motives. Fifth, Am I lead to believe that you as competent repairers think that an enlarged hole taking an oversized thread manufactured over the years by whatever cottage industry would make them, and out of substances that the quality was sometimes called into question and a Welt that in now waycompares to the grade and thickness of the original, is better than the original? (we are talking of one specific manufacturer here folks no all and sundry). Sixth, I do not have to wait to see photos of the repair, I know that they will be top class for a repair job, let's face it, they could not be anything but after all the comments. Seventh, Remember the old sayings by Hugh Mungus, "If you cant get the Bus to go in your direction, Shoot the Bus Driver" and "He with least knowledge shout loudest" and "If at first you dont succeed, undermine the opposition with scandal" I've run out of ideas guys Hey Ray, glad you can cope with the British humour. Some would have been long gone by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T. Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Hey Guys Hugh, you will find in time that I have a warped sense of humor.Now back to what you posted.I wouldn't mention any names because I really don't know any over there and was speaking of what I have seen here.Now what you seem not to grasp is that people who want there shoes rebuilt want there comfort that they worked hard for back.The shoes don't get so baggy like you imply but just eased out for personal fit.If the guy wants to have to break shoes in then buy them new.The customer just wants new soles and heels and new heel pads and stripped and polished to look as new as they can but feel like they have had them for years and thats all I am trying to say. Ray Torcaso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I do not have to wait to see photos of the repair, I know that they will be top class for a repair job I wonder sometimes if your here for the good of the SHOE REPAIR forum. What do you mean "for a repair job"!!! Sounds like you have nothing but contempt for the shoe repairer with that comment. let's face it, they could not be anything but after all the comments. Don't worry hugh, I'll not put any pictures up if it suits you Remember the old sayings by Hugh Mungus, "If you cant get the Bus to go in your direction, Shoot the Bus Driver" Yeah, you don't like anyone else to drive the bus do ya Jump aboard my bus, that I brought from quality shoe repairing and "He with least knowledge shout loudest" People know who I am, they know my work. You choose to hide your identity for your own personal reasons, and I respect that. But it makes it so bloody easy for you to sit there bullshitting your way around here, with total disregard for anyone elses views on shoe repairing. Regards planet uk900 and "If at first you dont succeed, undermine the opposition with scandal" Scandal!!!!! come on Hugh, if you want to play....play fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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