elfman Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 i agree that riveting the waist can and does damage the the shoe but i wonder how many of us who do not agree with riveting the waist then go ahead and use a blake stitcher after all does a blake needle not have a barb ,does it not also penetrate the shoe in the same wayand finally is a blake needle bigger in diameter and circumference than most pins tingles tacks nails rivets that we use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 i agree that riveting the waist can and does damage the the shoe but i wonder how many of us who do not agree with riveting the waist then go ahead and use a blake stitcher after all does a blake needle not have a barb ,does it not also penetrate the shoe in the same wayand finally is a blake needle bigger in diameter and circumference than most pins tingles tacks nails rivets that we use Quite right elfman but a Blake needle does not stay in the shoe, neither does it rust in the insole, neither does it cause blood poisoning of the wearers foot, neither does it cause the Insole to break in half. But damage it does nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 i agree that riveting the waist can and does damage the the shoe It seems that most agree this now. but i wonder how many of us who do not agree with riveting the waist then go ahead and use a blake stitcher after all does a blake needle not have a barb Hang on a minute Elfman, Nobody should be using a blake on a goodyear welted shoe, for obvious reasons. A blake is used for Moccasin shoes, which are an entirly different construction. does a blake needle not have a barb No a blake needle does not have a barb, it has a hook, which doesn't damage when exiting the job because the hook is within the circumference of the needle, Unlike a barb, A barb pertrudes the shaft and is designed to enter and not come out, like a fishing hook. does it not also penetrate the shoe in the same way and finally is a blake needle bigger in diameter and circumference than most pins tingles tacks nails rivets that we use No because the shoe is designed to take blake stitching, No welt, playrib to damage. The needle should be of a certain size so as the thread has room to seat in the hole it has made, effectivley blocking the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 quite right hugh but i have also seen all those faults on shoes that have never been repaired ie lasting tacks pocking thru heel attaching nails rusting and proud after the insole compresses and insoles coming apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 quite right hugh but i have also seen all those faults on shoes that have never been repaired ie lasting tacks pocking thru heel attaching nails rusting and proud after the insole compresses and insoles coming apart Well you will buy cheap crap, what do you expect for a fiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Do you Rivet the waist on your leather soles or not. Could you add a fourth category to the poll I used to till I read this topic Have done Tel200 No you haven't, there is still only three options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain Cheall Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Looks like the 406 NATURAL stain goes in the bin tomorrow WHY the orange stain make shoes look like they have been tangoed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 you are quite right planet goodyear welted and moccasons are two different constuctions and i would never blake a goodyear but i would not reblake a moccason either as i just do not like the blake sticher i just cant get used to the idea of putting a series of holes around a shoe and no matter how good a fit the thread is in the hole as an ex r n seaman i can assure you it is not 100%watertight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 you are quite right planet goodyear welted and moccasons are two different constuctions and i would never blake a goodyear but i would not reblake a moccason either as i just do not like the blake sticher i just cant get used to the idea of putting a series of holes around a shoe and no matter how good a fit the thread is in the hole as an ex r n seaman i can assure you it is not 100%watertight If you want water proof shoes you don't buy Moccasins..As they are not water proof from new. It beggars belief that you think you can replace a leather sole on this type of shoe without restitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Starzec Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 try soaking the soles before you stitch them. makes the leather swell. stitch them while they are wet and when they dry the leather shrinks back it provides a better seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Starzec Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I should may be also add (stating the obvious) that when you gently hammer out the wet soles it compresses the fibres around the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 2 good technical posts Ted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 So I think we have established that all the top repairers don't rivet the waist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bushman Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 wot you cant cement a moccison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 wot you cant cement a moccison Or so it would seem Bushman. God only knows how the manufacturers got the soles to stay on Ladies Moccs when they were not stitched, it must have been Mystick, and once again here's mystick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 wot you cant cement a moccison Are you saying you wouldn't restitch a genuine Moccasin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Wotz a genuine Moccasin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Wotz a genuine Moccasin? A genuine Moccasin, has no insole in the front part of the shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 [A genuine Moccasin, has no insole in the front part of the shoe. So, has a genuine moccasin that has no insole, got an outsole that is stitched on? (whats this got to do with rivetting the waist I ask myself, myself replied rather quickly F,all but go on anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I would always blake a moccasin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 I would always blake a moccasin Would that be on a Single Vamp, Double Vamp, or Triple Vamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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