Vauxhall key

[Ian platt]

Vauxhall key astra estate copied o tpx 4 chip using the sniff Customer came back next day saying key would not work woulnt operate central locking and pointed to buttons I told that when he enquired about a new key that we could supply a key that would not have romote central locking but he could use new key manually i offered to come out a nd see what the problem was on way out the story changed to key would not start car Would not lock car.I got to car opened the door all doors unlocked started the engine got out the car locked the car all seamed well...... But... Tried the back door s and passenger door. And none had locked..? Then asked for the original key used it manually and got the same result is this standard with these or could there be a fault on the car central locking system

[actionman]

so did the doors lock then automatically unlock?

 

if so there's a problem in the c/locking system. Possibly a faulty actuator or wiring. Ask customer if they've had the inner door panel off because the door lock/handle mechanism cable can get jammed & twisted. Basically the system feels resistance during locking so it unlocks it. I've seen this with a few Astra's & when i bought my Alfa GTV this was doing the same. Previous owner had removed the inner door panels to fit better speakers but ended up twisting the door handle cable when he put it all back together

 

What year Astra is it? The 2004 onwards Astra H & J models have several control units in the car that operate various things. The REC(rear elec consol) is behind the trim in the passanger side of the boot. 1 of it's functions is c/locking. You could do with getting somebody to use Tech2 or Opcom to do a diagnostic scan as it should bring up faults that have be registered.

 

Did you turn ther key in the lock once to lock it? if so turn it twice as sometimes turning it once will just lock drivers door. Same goes with unlocking. In some cars if you turn key or poress unlock on remote once it will just unlock drivers door. Turn key twice or press remote twice & it unlocks all the doors

 

Where are you based?

[grahamparker]

This is the way the vehicle is designed to operate.You need to program in another remote key to operate

the vehicle using diagnostic equipment.

There are quite a few cars which a non remote key will work in an emergency to

open and start but will not allow you to lock it correctly.

[Craig Gardner]

This is the way the vehicle is designed to operate.You need to program in another remote key to operate

the vehicle using diagnostic equipment.

There are quite a few cars which a non remote key will work in an emergency to

open and start but will not allow you to lock it correctly.

 

 

this is another reason you should not just clone a id46 key because the machine says you can invest a bit ,ore money and sell real keys taht work with remotes after all it is what the customers need and want.

 

craig

[actionman]

in my experience, particulary with astras if the doors lock then automatically unlock it isn't anything to do with remotes not being programmed properly or somebody trying to use a key in the lock to lock it instead of a remote. It's always a problem somewhere with the actual locking mechanism in 1 of the doors.

 

My wife has an astra & using the blade in the door lock to unlock/lock works fine. Same with every single other car i've had which is roughly 30 cars of various makes including European, Japanese & American. The only thing that unlocking a car with key blade can do is set the alarm off which a lot of the time turns off once the key is turned in the ignition.

 

I've done car mechanics for roughly 17yrears now & every car i've come across that won't lock properly has always been fixed by replacing or fixing a part within the locking mechanism. Unless the doors won't even try to remote lock at all & then it's been faulty remotes.

[grahamparker]

ID46 is the point you are missing.These need a full remote key.

[actionman]

what does an id46 chip have to do with door locks? whether a key has a chip in it or not you should be able to put it in a lock & turn it so it unlocks or locks the doors

 

As for it needing to be a remote to lock the doors. Can you come & explain that to our astra as we have 2 working remotes & a basic chip key & all 3 lock & unlock the doors whether it be by using the remote buttons or putting the key in the lock & turning it.

[grahamparker]

If you check i think you will find any vauxhall fitted with an id46 chip the door lock does NOT control the central locking

only the remote.

[actionman]

This is the way the vehicle is designed to operate.You need to program in another remote key to operate

the vehicle using diagnostic equipment.

There are quite a few cars which a non remote key will work in an emergency to

open and start but will not allow you to lock it correctly.

 

 

this is another reason you should not just clone a id46 key because the machine says you can invest a bit ,ore money and sell real keys taht work with remotes after all it is what the customers need and want.

 

craig

 

It all depends on the individual customer. Some customers won't pay for remote keys. Especially if they're car isn't worth much. I've done quite a few Fords & Vauxhalls where the customer has just asked for a basic transponder key. If the key works in the doors & starts the cars they've been more than happy.

[Craig Gardner]

This is the way the vehicle is designed to operate.You need to program in another remote key to operate

the vehicle using diagnostic equipment.

There are quite a few cars which a non remote key will work in an emergency to

open and start but will not allow you to lock it correctly.

 

 

this is another reason you should not just clone a id46 key because the machine says you can invest a bit ,ore money and sell real keys taht work with remotes after all it is what the customers need and want.

 

craig

 

It all depends on the individual customer. Some customers won't pay for remote keys. Especially if they're car isn't worth much. I've done quite a few Fords & Vauxhalls where the customer has just asked for a basic transponder key. If the key works in the doors & starts the cars they've been more than happy.

 

 

i agree but most of the newer cars even vauxhall with id46 the key withour remote can not open and unlock all the doors and boot without a remote. and some cars dont have a lock on the drivers door so in reality you need a remote key.

 

craig

[Craig Gardner]

also here is a example for you customer has a id46 car key looses a remote key so only has 1 key left she comes to you and you clone it onto a tpx4 eph or tk100 and yes it will work fine on that car so she puts it in a safe place and uses her other remote. now she breaks or looses the remote key and now starts to use the non remote key you cut but wants a real remote key again so comes to someone like me or the dealer for a new remote key but because we do the job proparaly and use real keys coded diagnosticaly and delete the lost keys now her cloned non remote key is no use as it can not be programmed back in diagnosticaly and i would never clone a programeable key and neither would a dealer so she is now very unhappy knowing you never done the job in the first place.

 

craig

[Lee]

however once she's stumped up the cash for replacements (how often in reality does one lose car keys in a life time), she's bloody relieved she had that "cheap alternative" cloned key done as a spare in the first place.

 

Lee

[Craig Gardner]

however once she's stumped up the cash for replacements (how often in reality does one lose car keys in a life time), she's bloody relieved she had that "cheap alternative" cloned key done as a spare in the first place.

 

Lee

 

i have done one dizzy womans car key 9 times now and changed her house lock at least 10 times she is always loosing everything

 

craig

[derek]

i can see both sides of the arguement, at the end of the day it does come down what your customer is willing to pay, i programmed a key for a corsa (thanks again craig) yesterday without a remote as the customer didn't want to pay the extra money for the remote,

[actionman]

If you check i think you will find any vauxhall fitted with an id46 chip the door lock does NOT control the central locking

only the remote.

 

This aft i've been remapping a 2005 Astra H with 2 button remote which contains a id46 chip. The key unlocks all the doors but then when you open the door it sets the alarm off which then is turned off once the key is turned in the ignition

[Craig Gardner]

If you check i think you will find any vauxhall fitted with an id46 chip the door lock does NOT control the central locking

only the remote.

 

This aft i've been remapping a 2005 Astra H with 2 button remote which contains a id46 chip. The key unlocks all the doors but then when you open the door it sets the alarm off which then is turned off once the key is turned in the ignition

 

well that aint a fully working key if it cant turn of the alarm i would not be happy if a neigbour decided to use a key like that and kept wakening my daughter up everytime he went to his car.

 

craig

[Craig Gardner]

i can see both sides of the arguement, at the end of the day it does come down what your customer is willing to pay, i programmed a key for a corsa (thanks again craig) yesterday without a remote as the customer didn't want to pay the extra money for the remote,

 

derek the one i talked you through how to programme was done proparaly as you deleted the missing key then programmed in the new key and that was id40 and dont need a remote to cancell alarm so you sold a fully working key

 

i aint going to go on about this but the people who clone in my opinion non cloneable keys for a fast buck will pay in the long run people who invest in good genuine machinery it will make you look good and you will earn out of it long term knowing you done the job proparaly

craig

[ponsaloti]

I dont see the argument here. It's all customer driven.

A lean-to or an extention.

Spaghetti hoops or spag bol.

Heel-bar for keys or a locksmith.

Chinease copy or genuine mvp.

 

 

This can go round and round for ever.

As said, its customer driven.

 

I'll get me coat.

[Ian platt]

This is the way the vehicle is designed to operate.You need to program in another remote key to operate

the vehicle using diagnostic equipment.

There are quite a few cars which a non remote key will work in an emergency to

open and start but will not allow you to lock it correctly.

 

 

this is another reason you should not just clone a id46 key because the machine says you can invest a bit ,ore money and sell real keys taht work with remotes after all it is what the customers need and want.

 

craig

Hi Craig where would I find the information your talking about is there a manual ? Which equipment is the best to start out with and do you know of any courses that would be of help I have two staff and would be interested in sending them on course to try and make sense of what I find a complex subject at the end of the day I want to give the best service as possible thank ian

[actionman]

If you check i think you will find any vauxhall fitted with an id46 chip the door lock does NOT control the central locking

only the remote.

 

This aft i've been remapping a 2005 Astra H with 2 button remote which contains a id46 chip. The key unlocks all the doors but then when you open the door it sets the alarm off which then is turned off once the key is turned in the ignition

 

well that aint a fully working key if it cant turn of the alarm i would not be happy if a neigbour decided to use a key like that and kept wakening my daughter up everytime he went to his car.

 

craig

 

It turns the alarm off normally when the remote buttons are used but doesn't turn it off when the blade is used to unlock the doors. The remote works perfectly fine so that's what he uses to lock/unlock the car. I just unlocked it with the blade while I had the car at mine as it was relevant to this topic

[derek]

i can see both sides of the arguement, at the end of the day it does come down what your customer is willing to pay, i programmed a key for a corsa (thanks again craig) yesterday without a remote as the customer didn't want to pay the extra money for the remote,

 

derek the one i talked you through how to programme was done proparaly as you deleted the missing key then programmed in the new key and that was id40 and dont need a remote to cancell alarm so you sold a fully working key

 

i aint going to go on about this but the people who clone in my opinion non cloneable keys for a fast buck will pay in the long run people who invest in good genuine machinery it will make you look good and you will earn out of it long term knowing you done the job proparaly

craig

 

 

so it was craig,you clever little sausage, next time i'll read and digest properly before i answer

[derek]

This is the way the vehicle is designed to operate.You need to program in another remote key to operate

the vehicle using diagnostic equipment.

There are quite a few cars which a non remote key will work in an emergency to

open and start but will not allow you to lock it correctly.

 

 

this is another reason you should not just clone a id46 key because the machine says you can invest a bit ,ore money and sell real keys taht work with remotes after all it is what the customers need and want.

 

craig

Hi Craig where would I find the information your talking about is there a manual ? Which equipment is the best to start out with and do you know of any courses that would be of help I have two staff and would be interested in sending them on course to try and make sense of what I find a complex subject at the end of the day I want to give the best service as possible thank ian

 

 

ian you would be looking at buying an mvp pro or the ad100pro, these can be purchased from hickleys,sks and advanced diagnostics, hickleys and ad both do courses for the machine, the mvp comes fully loaded but uses a token system that can be costly unless you buy tokens in large quantities, the ad100 you buy whatever software you think you will need, doesn't use tokens but is more expensive to buy,

 

http://www.hickleys.com/diagnostics/keys.php