damen.rudi Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hoi colleguas, I have problems with my stitching machine, an Adler 10/70. By the fact that I still have to be in business for over 20 years, I'm considering to buy a new machine. I doubt between an Adler 30/10 and a Claes. Who can tell me what the major differences are? The price is nearly the same so not of any matter. What experience with both machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Adler 30/10 is a very good machine but i believe the claes is better. for leather work the claes has a much larger stitch length range and the presser foot lifts higher so you can do thicker work. the needle bar is also adjustable for different length needles should you ever need to use them. the claes also comes in 3 models, 10,20 and 30 meaning different size shuttles, bigger the number bigger the shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter / Sweden Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I have worked with both Singer and Adler. The last 10 years with Claes model 20. I would NEVER bye anything else than a Claes, it`s the best machine on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Claes everytime Adler is more than adequate for most repairers, but the Claes offers you another dimension to make more money \:D/ Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Claes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Claes everytime Adler is more than adequate for most repairers, but the Claes offers you another dimension to make more money \:D/ Keith How Keith? What extra bells and whistles does it carry or offer? Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Lookie here: http://www.standardgroup.co.uk/shoe-rep ... /claes.htm The Claes has a few features not present on the Adler along with the multi thread carrier to save you time, time = money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auto Key Wizard Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Humm.....Didn't Rick DIY a multi thread carrier system I made one for my Adler, length of timber drilled & six x 4mm diameter stainless steel rods inserted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 You da man Tel =D> The price difference is minimal between the two, so I would go the Claes way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Cheers Keith. I often wondered why nobody actually took the time to teach the staff at Automagic and Timpson when I worked for them to show them the ins and outs of the patchers properly. I bet there're still things I don't know about my patcher Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 No probs, I know of customers making a fortune out of patching, but then they take it seriously. Sadly, most don't, many consider it a pain the a**e, most of them because they have, lets say, 'a troublesome patcher' ! Ironically, I purchased a brand new patcher, from Standard many years ago and it paid for itself in 18 months It was a make called 'Taking' that was made in Asia somewhere, PC may be more clued up as he sold them in those days, in fact, he once looked at mine as I had a problem with it However, if you work out the cost of a new Claes over three years, you come up with £25 per week exclu Vat. If you can't take that, then you must be turning work away How nice would it be to sit down and do a boot zip, KNOWING that you won't have a problem with the stitcher during the job, just a thought Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 hmmm, got a feeling the taking was from taiwan (singer copy?), power sold these for a while. china makes a few models but like a lot of their products made cheap and not to last. as said before claes all the way. the multi thread holder is neither here nor there but it has greater range of stitch lengths, higher lifting presser foot, adjustable needle bar (you can then use different length needles if you want as well as different thickness) larger bobbin size. oh and it comes in grey................................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Very good points Peter and the very reasons why I prefer the Claes. Keith, your logic on the Patcher paying for itself in a very short space of time is the reason why all those with dodgy Patchers should invest in a new one. Although you mentioned £25 per week I would expect to do this each day with a good machine that I could rely upon. Dont hink I ever did less than £250 a week on small jobs. In my view it is the most important machine in the Shoe Repair line-up and I would have it visible to the customer. This machine alone tells the customer that you can do all jobs. My old Patcher in my Garage is a Singer and I can make it sing a fine song but there aint them many old machines that can be trusted to do a perfect job. If I had a dodgy patcher and faced with doing customers fine expencive shoes I think I also wpould have taken the easy safe road out before Claes came onto the UK market. Using mine today to make a cover for a Rabbit Run out of a Tarpaulin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Wot he said =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damen.rudi Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hello, after several weeks of doubts, I have deceided to buy the Claes sewingmachine. I had him three weeks for a tryout and I must admit that it's a pleasure working with it. Thanks for all your replies. It made me help making my decision. Greetings, Rudi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Right, who's next \:D/ Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Now that's what we like to hear. A satisfied customer taking advice from the forum members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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