kobblers Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 has anyone encountered a cylinder key with PTX 15 on it and do they know who can supply the blank as it isn't in any of my catalogues? i've had a few in recently but no-one would let me take a pic, hence no photo for you to look at. cheers, rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 have you asked the make of lock or who supplied or fitted it & also check with your key supplier they may know of it but haven't got round to putting it onto an update sheet for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 has anyone encountered a cylinder key with PTX 15 on it and do they know who can supply the blank as it isn't in any of my catalogues?i've had a few in recently but no-one would let me take a pic, hence no photo for you to look at. cheers, rick. Does this raise a security question? Can keys be copied from a photograph? Should you guys be taking an image of a key and posting it on the net? Can the key be identified by the bow and a part section with the rest covered up to alleveiate the customers fears? I never thought of the security aspect of the situation but I can see the customers viewpoint now being on the otherside of the counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 that's plain paranoia from the customer i can just see it now, someone nicks a picture of a key that belongs to a person that he's never met, files a key to an approximatie size which may result in it working first time or maybe not ( better take the files and plasticine along)and then sets off to an unknown address for a bit of thievery:lol: i tell my customers in cases like this (they usually infer that YOU may be the one to rob them ) that i don't need their key as i'm very adept with lockpicks anyway seriously, i see no harm in posting a pic, at the end of the day it's in the customer's interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 I can see why they would get paraniod but look at this aspect, customer comes in for a key, you take a photo of key, customers premises get burgled within the month, no sign of forced entry. Who will be under suspicion, whos good name may be tarnished with a story in the local paper. Here's another one for you, National press get a hold of this story and whip up a frenzy of Cobblers posting photos of customers keys on the internet. Both hypathetical, both scaremongering, both impractical, probably impossible but the damage could be done to either a single shop or nationally. I dont know if a key could be made from the photo that's why I asked the question. I am however prety darn sure that some could read a code from the pic, I can do it with ford tibbe keys and I dont cut keys. There are quite a few master locksmith members who may be able to do this, can it be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 The point is, very often, when I take a pic in this instance, I don't know the customer's name, let alone their address. The most I normally take is a contact phone number. Therefore, unless we have psychic key cutters who can look at a key & know which lock on which house / shed / workplace etc in the country the key fits, then we've not really got a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 We don't tell the customer we are taking a picture of their key most of the time. Haven't you guys heard of discretion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Perhaps when putting your ruler against the key you could place it over the tips of the cuts then no one could accuse us of such actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Very easy to overcome the problem, just ask the customer to call back or take it into the back room to photograph if you can, but if you do cover up some of the cuts then your are covering yourself. The last think you guys want is a vote of no confidence by the customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 mmm, a very debatable and interesting issue this one, fodd for thought if nowt else.... anyway, it turns out that ptx key is probably a schlage blank with a round head so i'll check next time one comes in and let you all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 mmm, a very debatable and interesting issue this one, fodd for thought if nowt else..... A way of sorting problems before they arise out in the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TITs Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 any customer who did not trust me to handle and photograph his key should learn to cut his own bloody key ! If im going to the trouble of going online to try and find his blank and he does not trust that im honest and on the level can go elsewhere in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Incidentally I would always say "I have a trade resource which I can send an image to to get the blank Identified if I could take a copy" rather than mentioning its a web site, just sounds that bit more professional I think. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted March 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 i tell them i'm taking a pic to fax to my supplier funny, it never bothered them when i used to take a charcoal or wax rubbing of their keys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted April 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 anyway, the blank that works correctly for the PTX key is the a1145. done a few of them now without any problems. cheers, rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Cobbler Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 This should read PTK - Short for PorToKabin and we use the Schlage blank you mention above as well. We have a lot of building sites around us and these locks are on the mobile toilets and offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted April 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 definitely says PTX wilts. rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Onest Andy Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Well I agree there is room for caution here with regard to customer's keys. But seriously what are the chances of someone actually seeing a picture of the key.. making one and actually finding out where on earth the lock is fitted... Reckon there is a better chance of winning the lottery. Another consideration here too... Customer walks in places a mortice key on the counter. You take a look walk to your key boards and pick a key right off the peg without going near the machine... yep a good old precut... have you ever had someone say to you.... " What it's already cut? You mean someone can come in here and buy my key right off the peg?" We all know the answer to that one... But have you ever heard of a situation where a tea leaf actually broke in with one of these keys... ? Err nope didn't think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 I agree Andy..............O and by the way that bloke falling down the stairs is getting on my t1ts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Onest Andy Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Ahh but have you fallen down the stairs since I put it up there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 how do you think the poor guy falling feels then uk? tad insensitive comment if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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