ironplanet uk900 Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Hi Uncle John, I had that problem years ago with a KB outsoler (single phase) I never got to the bottom of it as I sold the shop. Peter or Kieth will shed some light on it though Welcome to the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Hi Uncs Tis likely to be either the centrifugal switch or the capacitor in the motor showing a fault. The easiest way to deal with it is to change the motor, if you consider it to be a big problem. Call me if you want a price. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Uncle-John Can you set your spam filter to except emails from admin@shoerepairer.info or check you have entered your Email address correctly under your profile as I am getting your notification emails sent back to me. Welcome to the forum as well! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 photo has been taken and I will post as soon as I can download it onto the puter, may take a few days. Thanks. You can use the button when making a post to upload your images direct to your post, you wouldn't have seen this before as I have only just altered your user status to allow this feature. hope this helps Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 keiths advice is correct, the other thing you may need to just check although unlikely is on some of these motors there is a switch to reverse the direction, it is mounted on the fan housing at the end may be loose or not over correctly, as i say unlikely but possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I will check the switch on monday thanks. Can anyone tell me the sequence of setting the cog in the centre of the photo from the same Geneva. We are having a hit & miss go at getting the machine to stitch without breaking the thread. Never had a Geneva, but I had a similar problem with my DN76. http://www.shoerepairer.info/bb/viewtopic.php?t=824 I would imagine it to be a very similar job though, Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 the gears on a geneva are keyed and you should not try to move any of them you will have trouble for ever more after (unlike DNs). if you are having trouble with thread breaking the timing of gears is the last thing to look at. it looks nice and clean inside so wax should not affect it. the only thing to check here is that the lock is working - the plates with the nut on top right of pic. when the needle is going up towards the shuttle the thread should pull through fairly easily when the needle is going down again the thread should be locked, if not loosen the nut, screw the plates clockwise half a tuen, tighten the nut and try again. the other things to check are you have a good quality nylon thread on machine. have you tried changing the whirel? also the cap that covers the whirl quite often gets little nicks in it that you cannot see, take it off get some fine emery paper tear it in a thin strip, pass through the hole and clean the inside of the hole with it. is the thread snapping in the same place on the shoe or randomly? if it is randomly every few stitches it is a sign of a worn whirl, if it is always more or less the same point on a shoe it is the cap. it is unusual to have any other causes but then again ive never heard of a geneva going either way when you turn it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 WOW. Thats the forum for you. Dont do thing by half do we!!! Learned something myself there Peter. The horn tip by the way, to all viewers applies to all makes of Insolers, needle hits plate, leaves rough surface, cuts thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 the other thing to check (just remembered) is does the thread drop freely from the shuttle when the needle is coming down or does it 'ping' if it pings then take the shuttle apart, clan and lubricate it the stick it back together again. it is amazing how much wax builds up over time off the nylon threads and makes a big difference to the working of a geneva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 I bet that guy is going to be pleased with all that information Peter!! WOW again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 only if it works................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Even if it dont work Peter, another String to the bow as they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 the gears on a geneva are keyed and you should not try to move any of them you will have trouble for ever more after (unlike DNs). if you are having trouble with thread breaking the timing of gears is the last thing to look at. it looks nice and clean inside so wax should not affect it. the only thing to check here is that the lock is working - the plates with the nut on top right of pic. when the needle is going up towards the shuttle the thread should pull through fairly easily when the needle is going down again the thread should be locked, if not loosen the nut, screw the plates clockwise half a tuen, tighten the nut and try again. the other things to check are you have a good quality nylon thread on machine. have you tried changing the whirel? also the cap that covers the whirl quite often gets little nicks in it that you cannot see, take it off get some fine emery paper tear it in a thin strip, pass through the hole and clean the inside of the hole with it. is the thread snapping in the same place on the shoe or randomly? if it is randomly every few stitches it is a sign of a worn whirl, if it is always more or less the same point on a shoe it is the cap. it is unusual to have any other causes but then again ive never heard of a geneva going either way when you turn it on! Thats what the forums all about... Nice one Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Productive night Peter, I'm off to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Keeping stitchers well lubed also helps. I used to spray a drop of WD40 everytime I used the machine. A little over the needle and over the whirl cap, it just helps the whole excercise. Wet machines is what we like Dry ones give more problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 a bit like women then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Keith, While I totally agree on the Lube, I tell folk that WD40 is not a lubricant, rather a water dispersant. 3in1 spray with PTFE is brill. Have a freind who used to service Rolls engines and He nearly bit my head off when I told him that I used WD40 as an oil. I now use it as a cleaner then use oil afterwards, seen folk use WD for lubricating cams on goodyears, now it aint thick enough for that. Good product though, used for what it was intended. Fetches a lot off stains/marks off things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 thats the problem with wd40 when used on a goodyear, it cleans and dries out the parts leaving them to wear quicker but to spray moving parts each night is not a bad idea so long as you regularly oil as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I know many who just use WD40, swear by it I used gearbox oil on the Cams and engine oil on the rest of a Goodyear. So much quieter and smoother running, sprayed it liberally on Sat night and left old towels on the table for the excess to get caught in. Lifted the cover on Monday and stood to one side with my foot on the pedal and gradually let it build up to full speed. Still a superb machine 45 years on, and still getting tender loving care by the new user who's dad was the Rolls mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I now know the answer to the original question. The Geneva has been taken over by aliens from the Goon Show, Altogether now!!! I'm going backwards for Christmas. Talking of Xmas, it is rumoured that UK900 has just bought his wife a pair of 2 carrat diamond earrings for xmas. (is it true) My wife says she also wants something sparkly for xmas so I've got her a glow worm on a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Don't listen to rumours Hugh, or you'll end up as daft as them lot I brought her 2 carrots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 What's she want 2 fer ? No dont answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironplanet uk900 Posted November 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 What's she want 2 fer ?No dont answer that. We share em,,, I've got the same fettish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Uncle John, just looked at your profile, whist checking other members, and asked my insider Timpson chap if he new an Uncle John, and he put the name John Higgs to you, I remember reading your name in the book Dear James, and have just found out the paragraph which said "Several ideas found on shop visits have had a profound effect on our business. In 1990, I saw that the manager of our Cheadle shop, John Higgs, was displaying a whole line of leather shoes on his rack above the machinery. He repaired more leather-soled shoes than anyone else in the business and his shop was in a small suburb of Manchester. Within a year, every branch had a similar display of leather shoes. In the next eight years, our leather business quadrupled." is this really you? if so, we are not worthy! and welcome to the land of the shoe repairer forum! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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