Russell Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I have just bought a new dustbag for my Hardo finisher. It is my intention to fit it one Sunday soon. I would prefer an engineer from Siserve or Standard to fit it but as being in South Wales it costs an arm and a leg just for travelling expenses, I will try myself. Personally I dont know why one of these companies couldn't spend a week down here servicing etc. I'm sure they would get plenty of work by charging an hourly rate without the travelling charge. Definately an opportunity here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 And when they are doing their east of England run, they can book me in for a new bag! Although I run a whitfield 700, how much was the bag for your hardo? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 I had to get a new bag for my hardo a few years ago. It actually wasn't that bad to fit - the hardest bit was moving the machine enough to squeeze my 6'2" frame behind it! Take your time & keep an eye on what you remove from where & you can't go wrong. In theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Hold on you guys, I have just a brainstorm, are you guys really telling me that you can repair complicated footwear but you cant put a bag on a finisher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As Victor Meldrew would say "I cant believe it" Messrs Sperryn & Law must be clapping their hands right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I haven't even thought about it, because its not needed it, how ever with the new rulings next year if a company did phone to say they was in the area and the price was reasonable it would save me the bother. However if they don't phone I WILL do it my self just like the rest of us! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 In reply to Hugh Can Do-It, it's not a question of having the ability, but I work 6 days a week in a small shop on my own. Its not practical for me to do it during the week as I do not have the space to pull the finisher out, squeeze behind it and keep getting out to serve customers. This means doing it on a Sunday. Being in business and making a very good living I do not wish to give up my only day off... but to save about £150 I would. I would however be happy to pay about £75 and have it done by an engineer during the week. I found your reply offensive and not thought out, remember we are not all in the same position and what is practical for one company is not for another. Incidentally Lee, the dustbag cost about £145 (for a very small finisher). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 i'm sure no offence was intended to anybody russell , hugh's not that type of fella. the hardest thing about typing as opposed to face to face speech is understanding the context best regards, rick. ps you sound like your shop is as small as mine, go the dwarf cobblers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I have just bought a new dustbag for my Hardo finisher. It is my intention to fit it one Sunday soon. I would prefer an engineer from Siserve or Standard to fit it but as being in South Wales it costs an arm and a leg just for travelling expenses, I will try myself. Personally I dont know why one of these companies couldn't spend a week down here servicing etc. I'm sure they would get plenty of work by charging an hourly rate without the travelling charge. Definately an opportunity here. Therein lies the answer Russell, ( I WILL TRY MYSELF). Not that you have not the time or the inclination to do the job. To take a leaf out of Frank Carsons book (well almost) and as ascap29 say's "It's the way we tell em" (and the way we read em). One has to make an instant judgement on a posting and many times it is easy to follow a path that leads in the wrong direction and totally off course. What may be wrote with a huge grin on the face can often be read by someone who does not see that smile. Perhaps my tongue in cheek comment could be construed as hurt feeling to some (and we have to be so very careful over hurt feelings nowadays dont we) but "offensive is a little bit over the top me-thinks!!!!. However, if you do so wish, I will edit the post to remove any words, phrases, paragraphs, that cause offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 DUST EXTRACTION BAG FITTING. Why is it that machinery designers and manufacturers can't design a finisher or band scourer that has accessable consumables. Most repair shops have machines in confined spaces that do not allow the luxury of getting behind the machine and in some cases even moving the machines, so why can't we have front or side access panels giving easy access to BAGS/MOTORS/BELTS. For those shops with restricted access think ahead for a moment, what would happen if a Fire broke out at the back of the machine through an overheated Motor or Dust Bag Fire. Squirting a Fire Extinquisher down a Dust Shute aint gonna put out a Fire. I am aware of the current developments on fire prevention on machinery but we are still not addressing how to remove a smoldering/burning bag quickly and safely. Pulling a machine out involves its own Health & Safety problems so why not have quick release removable panels on the top and sides (some machines are enclosed both at the rear and 1 side). Yes there may be problems with this logic but the manufacturers are engineers with the ability to overcome our problematic requirements. It's about time they started to work us on what WE need. How many finishers have recesses in which to put Ink pots/Paints etc without the excess running all down the front of the Finisher. Open up a machine, wether it is a band scourer or finisher and you will find loads of wasted space around the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 And it always amazes me hoe noisy they are! when you think how quite a car is yet there "motor" is far louder than that on my 700. I did fit some acoustic sound deadening to mine, which did help and stood it on micro. But its still loud! and now I have begun to notice my hearings going. its al right saying wear ear defenders, but if I could have paid a few hundred pounds for an optional extra of sound deadening on the finisher I would! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Bearings can be replaced folks, Ears can't. Decibel readings are taken some distance from the source of the noise and measuring individual machines. Then a readings are taken from a central location with all machines switched on. There are several faults with this, a, The readings are not taken under load (trimming/scouring) at a position where your Ears are situated (on the Head). b, The central reading when all the machines are on does not read at the position where you are operating a machine under various loads. The readings taken show an acceptable level under Health & Safety requirements, but only just. If the readings were taken with the machine strapped to your head then the situation would be much different and show readings that would be on the danger level. (I tried it). Having a machine with a faulty Bearing shoves the reading well over the danger level and if you have employees on the premises, then be wary of raising the sound levels above what is recommended by law. Your brain has the ability to shut down a lot of the background noise and enable you to hear the conversations going on. Remember when you first started work as a learner and could not hear anyone speak when the machines were on!! then after a few weeks you got used to the situation. Your ears still hear that same volume of sound and are deteriorating fast, so don't put put off changing a worn noisy Bearing. I just wish that I had followed this advice years ago and maybe just maybe I could hear the conversations in the Cobblers Arms at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 A' what did he say? speak up a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hibsjo(SCO) Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 joking aside I never wore earplugs until a few years back. One of my customers came in and told me her husband was an electrician 45 years old but told by the doc he had the ears of a 65 year old! all the drilling in confined spaces had literally worn his ears out.SCARY Some of my customers actually think Im deaf and its a hearing aid I wear. aw poor sole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Yep, it is a part of our environment that we tend to ignore, until the damage has been done. That is why I now converse via e-mail rather than speaking to people, saves saying "What's that you said" "didn't quite get that, could you repeat it please". There is an ironic twist to this subject in that if you wear suitable ear Defenders wont hear someone shouting "Fire" when the dust bag sets itself on fire. If you dont wear the Defenders then your hearing will detriorate to an extent whereby you wont hear them calling "Fire" anyway. You cant win can you and it is an important Health & Safety issue if you are an employer. By the way, my specialist (one of many I have to have nowadays) says my hearing is that of a 70 year old, not bad that, cos I feel 80. Lee. You did the right thing by implementing sound deadening pads and micro base pads but have you thought of putting acoustic panels on the back wall behing the machines? Acoustic panels need to be fitted floor to cieling as the high frequencies rise immediatly whereas low base sounds like vibration travel out 3 feet before rising. You may not notice the difference but a decibel meter will pick up lower readings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Hibsjo from Castle Douglas (in Scotland) wears ear plugs, does anyone else have this amount of common sense? also just think of the dust generated in your shop that you are constantly having a battle with. How much dust falls on a flat surfase each week that you have to remove? Just think now that the dust (the same amount) goes into your Ears, wearing Ear Plugs stops the dust from entering as will as preserving your Hearing. Yes it is an inconvenience keep taking the darn things out to serve customers and remembering to put them back again but one gets used to a routine after a few weeks and is well worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 i wore earplugs for a while, especially when i was doing carpentry but i found that they gave me terrible earache :S i have noticed over the years though that my hearing has become worse and that i regularly get sinus infections, probably from all the dust. a hint for all of you here: when you turn your machine off let the extractor run for a minute longer or freshly created dust will still be present in the air around you. rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 That's an interesting statement ascap, that your sinus infections could be linked to the invasion of dust, I regularly get this problem also and have it as I type now. As a matter of interest, what type of Ear protection gave you Earache and can you be sure that it was not other factors that were contributing to the problem, such as a build up of wax due to dust particles, or infected Sinuses. Were they the type of protectors that you had to push down into your Ear Canal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 yeah, they were the little yellow sponge ones but i also tried some that were like mini earphones. rick. ps, i have a great remedy for that sinus infection that always helps alleviate the pressure for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 yeah, they were the little yellow sponge ones but i also tried some that were like mini earphones.rick.ps, i have a great remedy for that sinus infection that always helps alleviate the pressure for me. Hit me with it Rick, with a warning "do not try this at home type thing". Have tried several over the counter cures but I am not convinced of their success, cos I still have it. Problem I found with Ear protectors is that you sometimes cant find em or you forget em after taking them out to serve a customer. 1 soltion that works for me is Bog Roll moisten a sheet with water/antibacterial liquid or Olive oil as I do now and bung it in, costs nowt and if yer loose it bung another one in. I use this method when in hotels and need to get asleep, works wonders, especialy if you get noisy neighbors. There are some paper hankies that are advertised to kill germs on contact and I am going to give those a go when I go shopping. The moistened Bog Roll works very well on footwear that are too large, bung a few sheets in the toes and stamp them to compress at the toes, fill until foot is reasonably tight and allow to dry on the foot, the paper then moulds itself to the shape of yer toes. CAUTION. when wetting the Bog Roll do not dip it into the toilet pan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenB Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I used ear plugs for a while (the little foam ones), but gave it up as I couldn't hear my customers while I was talking to them & all that putting them in, taking them out again - maybe I just have too many customers? I do always wear safety glasses these days though. Does anybody else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobblers Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 this is gonna sound odd hugh but it works for me you need to have a bath as hot as you can stand it and kneel in it, take a deep breath and hold your head forwards under water for as long as you can. keep repeating this till you've had enough haha. i've found this works because of the effect of the heat breaking up the congestion and the forward position of the head allowing it to drain at the same time. i usually ask my wife to massage my face afterwards to help break it up some more. since i started taking a more proactive approach to dealing with my sinusitis i've found that i get it much less and when i do that the pain is much less severe, i hardly take painkillers at all now. though i do take sudafed regularly when i get it. i can remember when i first started to get it being totally incapacitated and consumed by the intense pain , this just doesn't happen anymore. i tried a chinese herbal remedy once that worked but was absolutely terrible in the application lol. it involved paprika, salt and warm water being squirted up the nostril with a syringe whilst lying down and letting it run through. it burned like hell and my snot was orange for a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 What, with Safety Spectacles, Ear Protectors, Dust Masks, Adhesive Fume Masks, Anti Dermetitus Gloves, I think I will be looking for a full Diving Suit on E-Bay with a big glass visor. The authorities are going overboard trying to protect us from ourselves!!!! Biggest danger in my mind are customers distracting you because of their impatience or coughing /sneezing germs all over you. Cant see the government departments clamping down on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Well, it's plainly obvious that there are some strong feelings on this subject. However, there are solutions to most of these problems if you try looking. As some of you who attended the 'Cutting Edge' exhibition last October will know, a machine does exist that lowers noise and moves dust extraction to another level. The Flexam system, on the 'City' finisher shown there was very well received and will prove to be the next, 'tranformation' in shoe reparing I'm sure. Just like the 'Power Unit' did back in the early 80's. In addition, we are currently engaged in a program of development to look at ways of improving many aspects of machines. Also, I have made a note of your comments on servicing, bag replacement in particular, and have passed the details to our Service Manager, Nick Stewart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 keithm, It is obvious that your post is connected with a professional organisation but you do not say who you are. May I suggest that you include your company's name within your Avatar so that we know with whom we are conversing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 If you look at the memberlist you will see that keithm is on fact quite open to the fact that he is "standard engineerings voice" and was the man that relieved my anxiety when I first launched the site by becoming the first member! Also with keiths enthusiasm and words of encouragement he managed to make Standard the forums current biggest sponsor! (thanks keith) Which will help secure the future of the site. However as with some other members I am sure he would like his voice to remain as kev says Views expressed in this post are individual and do not represent the company I work for in any way Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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