My first post : Making key by EEPROM

[ucokseparoh]

Hi guys..

 

I've been here for at least a week and hardly ever commented in any thread here as you know,i'm a newbie. Aside that the way of the locksmith world operate in UK (or Europe in general) is totally different in all aspect comparing to where i live,i also don't really know what kind of valuable input i may give (to any thread here) as during my time here i notice that a lot of member here are way more well-grounded than myself which is just about to learn. Therefor,for about this first week i chose to just observe and stay as a ghost-reader. 

 

But, i feel that's not how it supposed to be being a member to a group. You have to participate and blend with others so that you're welcomed and the group become useful either for you or others. So.,here it is my first inquiry here in order to achieve those things i mentioned. Feel free to delete the post if it violates any rules here sir. 

 

So.,i've been doing a lil research about making key by eeprom with Tango through the internet. In general,i think i can understand how this method works. If you already have an EEPROM programmer like Orange5 or CarProg and transponder programmer like Tango,AD900pro or ZedBull first you need to take-off the ECU or the immobox of the car in which you want to make/generate its key. Locate the EEPROM,read the data inside with SOIC8 Clip or the Micro Pincers connected to a programmer,save the file in *BIN and then store it to the key or transponder you want to pogram with Tango and the like. In some case the process will generate new files in which we must 'write' it into the eeprom we working on and replace the old files with the new one in order to making more keys. That's it! Job is done. Am i right?

 

But,of course that is just in theory. In practice,i believe this will not gonna be that simple because i've seen many locksmith with years of experience in automotive yet hesitant to do work using this method. Hence in this thread i'd like to hear your opinion about this guys..

 

1. How is making key by EEPROM,is it difficult (so many hesitant to do it) or is it just as simple as i described?

 

2. What could be the main problem which may occur while we working with eeprom?

 

3. I've watched a video loaded by autotechlocksmith.com which explains step by step making key by eeprom for VW Passat 2006-2010. It looks easy. But it does make me wonder on one thing guys,which is the key being used in that process. It not just a key,it is more like a remote with ID48 inside. In my mind,i thought that the way of Tango operates is by putting in stock that low-cost transponder and some key-shell. I never thought that it can do a built-up remote. In case in the future i deal with Toyota cars,and decide to doing it by eeprom,can i program that built-up 4D or 4C key for Toyota like the one sold in keymam or aliexpress? How do i pick the correct RKH for Toyota cars if it mention in Tango Key Maker that the carrying transponder for them will be 4D or 4C?

 

4. In Tango Key Maker for Honda Jazz 2008 it's written there like this ; (93C66,HITAG). I'm not really familiar with this term HITAG. What is it means? What kind of key and transponder must i provide if in the near future i work with this car? Can the dealer key programmed with Tango for this car? Is there any RHK match for this car and meet the specification as mentioned above?

 

 

I'm a locksmith from Indonesia. And here is not like in yours. We don't have any kind of locksmith course here nor any of those top brands programmer official distributor whom we may ask info from. I'm on my own (so with the other locksmith here),without any kind of support,while the situation demands us to be more than just a locksmith as in a few years back till today,almost every cars equipped with this transponder technology. 

 

I really have no place to ask but forums. And unlike the rest i'm a bit lucky because ever since i graduated from high school i've already involved myself in several forums in order so i can,at least,read and write properly in English..and that's really helps me in studying this subject. 

 

2 days ago,a friend who runs a small garage talked to me saying that he wants to expand his business coverage. He sees opportunity in car key programming as there is hardly any locksmith in my country who can handle this kind of job except the dealer. He asked me to work with him as in his opinion i have,at least,have a passion in locksmithing and willing to learn to bring this profession up to the next level. Hence before i give him a YES or a NO i really need as detail as possible information in my pocket...and for that..i really beg your kindness to help me with this issue. 

 

Thanks in advance. Every input is highly appreciated.

 

 

Best regard. 

[Auto Key Wizard]

I would have to agree with this

[Lee]

No rules against it. We have the trade section and being unaffiliated to any product may give alternative answers that may help everyone. I'm well on the way to restoring the tutorials page too. :')

[ucokseparoh]

i don't own any programmer yet @locksafe @AutoKeyWizard (don't know if i ever could afford it or not actually..Haaha For a Briton or American the price might look cheap as it's only about 900 GBP or $1500..but with my currency it means Rp 18M  and that the same with 9times of minimum wage per month here.) I just want to learn how to do car key programming with a relatively cheap price. Economic here is not as good as there. But who knows someday? I have tried having my self registered at Tango forum,but not succeeded and the forum looks like dedicated for Tango-user only. 

[ucokseparoh]

that's really a good thing to heard @Lee. Can't wait to see it.

[ucokseparoh]

Can you suggest me @locksafe @AKW,aside from Tango forum,which place should i look to better understand this thing? Thank you for all of your contribution for this thread gents. 

 

Btw,is there available such a apprenticeship program for Locksmith there?  I might take it into consideration if there is as being 'just' a Locksmith here seems to be a profession without future.

[Auto Key Wizard]

http://autoelite.nl/

 

I believe a couple guys in the UK are behind it.

[ucokseparoh]

thanks @AKW. I'll take a look the site.

[ucokseparoh]

Idk @locksafe..i might wrong. But as a comparison to what i have observed,being a locksmith more likely will have a bright future there than here. Here,based on my experience running my own business back then,the average money i can earn for a day was only about $10 - $15. I'm not alone,many locksmith here are also live with that number. Is it small or big? It's relative of course. We can live with that money. We can buy food,pay house rent and many thing for daily need. But that's it. Don't expect more like buying car as it's common there for a locksmith to have one for mobile,or nice programmer,or nice machine etc. There,from what i've seen online,having a programmer and computerized machine seems to be like nothing special as majority own it. Here,none of the locksmith own such tools. Only 2 people here (in entire Indonesia) own key programmer. The rest,best tool they own (including me) is nothing but that cheap Wen Xing machine.

[ucokseparoh]

and those 2 didn't purchase that key programmer because they were locksmith.. They become locksmith because they have that key programmer.

[ucokseparoh]

that can't be wrong @locksafe. I have heard the same story from a Toyota technician who also profess as a locksmith. He charge his customer around $100-$150 per a spare key. And could be more if all the key were lost.

[ucokseparoh]

that's the reason why i become so eagerly want to know about this eeprom thing. Most car we handle here are Jap brands..and Toyota are the most common. With a Tango i see a chance where i might could offer a better price by produce key by using that TPX chip,where as far as i know will only cost for about $15 per key.

[ucokseparoh]

Haaha.. $6000? that's a large money. I started my own with around $1000 back then..about $450 i used it for a cheap Wen Xing..the rest was used for the rent of a small kiosk.

[ucokseparoh]

Chinese cars don't sell here @locksafe. Based on the released data both by govt and a private organization called Gaikindo (an organisation of auto industrialist) say there are about 1.2million new cars sold here annually. Jap cars (Toyota,DaihatsuHonda,Suzuki and Mistubishi) dominated the market with 96.4% of the market share combined.

[ucokseparoh]

I wouldn't call you for a professional purpose @locksafe..not gonna happen. Not because i don't want to..but more because i just can't afford it. dont know aout tomorrow... But in case..in case you come to my country (at west sumatra to be precised)..feel free to contact me..i'll be at your service at that time.

[ucokseparoh]

doesn't look like a free training @akw   http://autoelite.nl/

[Auto Key Wizard]

Haaha.. $6000? that's a large money.

 

Humm, that figure is small change in the auto locksmith world, I spend that on some AVDI update software only last week.

[ucokseparoh]

still a large number here @akw.

[silverfern]

Hey mate. Here in Oz some Toyota's from 2004-2006 can be programmed by OBD, most from 2006-2010 can be programmed by OBD. Also pretty much all Mitsubishi and most Honda from 2002 on wards by OBD. Maybe Advanced Diagnostics AD100 Key programmer just with Toyota, Mitsubishi etc software is the way to go? Still a big outlay for you in your

country but with not much competition and a reasonable return for lost key jobs you should be able to get it back. Maybe that colleague/friend can help with the purchase. Just a thought.

[silverfern]

True

[Gray]

Maybe the more charitable amongst you who have anything surplus to requirements that may be useful to him could send it and give the lad a

 

fighting chance.

 

He's obviously eager to learn. I gave up on the car thing a couple of years ago because it was moving at such a fast pace, so have nothing

 

apart from a load of pre transponder key blanks.

 

Just sayin!

[Auto Key Wizard]

I'm a locksmith from Indonesia. almost every cars equipped with this transponder technology. 

 

a friend who runs a small garage talked to me saying that he wants to expand his business coverage. He sees opportunity in car key programming as there is hardly any locksmith in my country who can handle this kind of job except the dealer.

 

So you have Tango, what other tools/devices do you have?, what budget is available to invest?

 

I would jump in with both feet if there are only dealers that can support these jobs.

[ucokseparoh]

So you have Tango, what other tools/devices do you have?, what budget is available to invest?

I would jump in with both feet if there are only dealers that can support these jobs.

 

I haven't have any programmer yet @akw. It just a plan. But most likely will not gonna happen in the near future. I just submitted a proposal to the bank here few days ago hoping that they'd lend me money for this with light requirements,bank didn't approve it. I have only motorcycle document as bail,the bank asked land title,which i don't have. May be it isn't my time yet.. might just have to wait for years again. 

 

That's the reason @akw as why i eagerly want to..you know,being able to perform it. You know..it's not easy to learn it. I have to learn English first as every material about this job only available in English.. But as i was aware that this job will be the future in locksmithing i didn't take that as problem.. i keep reading,studying and do my best to understand it. It might have been 5-6 years where each time i was on computer i can't resist not to open pages containing info about this job. Some might think i'm a lil obsessed about this,but to me it's more than about money. It's about achievement..in which i can break the assumption that locksmithing is a profession with no future. Moreover,keep repeating the same job over and over and over again for years i feel a lil bit boring. This profession was firstly initiated by my late grandfather back then. He begun the business by selling padlock and that chain-type padlock (used to secure a bicycle back then). To accommodate the need of customers he then began not just selling..he offered services also. In my dad's time,as it's common everywhere any skill inherited to the next gen,my dad did a lil improvement. He started fixing,unlocking,making keys not limited to just padlocks anymore but also resident (when i was a child i remembered the common lock at that time was Union and Yale made by UK and i heard a lot how he bragged about,even till today,how the lock was/is carefully made comparing to today resident locks which most are chinese rubbish   ) cars,motorcycles and safes. During their time you know..there was no machinery,no thing such lock course,no key blank etc..everything were made by hand, manually. First machine we have probably purchased just about 8 years ago..and it's Wen Xing. Now it's my time..i've been working as a locksmith for about 12 years. And what a fool i am if i can't make a significant improvement in this job. I had running my own business for almost 4 years from around 2008-2012..but you know..doing motorcycle,old cars or resident is really 'every locksmith' job..competition makes you can't really get paid better unless you run your business where there is no locksmith operates there,which is probably only in the jungle.   while moving to a bigger city and open the business in pretty large scale..it's not every locksmith can do that here.. that's why @akw.   

 

As far as my concern there are only 2 peoples aside the dealer who own a programmer (AD/MVP) in entire Indonesia. One is in Jakarta (komandankey.com) and the other one in Batam (used to have site too,but seems like his website is o more exist). About few days ago another one more,live in Yogyakarta,just bought an SKP900 from Soxxi Singapore. That's what i know. I know that because aside that we have a group at FB,i actually have had googled it before to find out who else aside that guy in Jakarta and Batam who can perform this job.. i found none. But..again,that's what i know..

[ucokseparoh]

He can't afford anything mate, SBB is $50

 

unfortunately you're right @locksafe. Currently i can't buy anything be it that cheap SBB. I have been idle for more than a year and back to my parent's house..my activity now is helping him doing the job because he is 60 now. Aside that by helping him i can get lil money to buy my daily need like cigar etc..when will the time for it if not now while i have no job. Can't help with money at least get the job done,right?

 

As for SBB,i wouldn't buy it if in case i own $50. A Liberian locksmith told me that thing is not gonna work on Toyota. He has tried it he said. On some Honda it does. I might consider that Toyota Smart Key Maker.

[ucokseparoh]

to be honest @locksafe.. i did try that charity method you said   somebody told me (while i tried looking for an "investor")about crowdfunding in the group..i tried to google it and found some sites dedicated for it. tried running campaign..but still no luck. 

 

 

I have read it from the news @locksafe,according to my govt and the private organization the annual growth of 4 wheel vehicles in Indonesia is about 1.2 million. Jap brands (Toyota,Daihatsu,Honda,Suzuki and Mitsubishi) are the king with market share about 96.4% combined. 

 

I see that you've done calculating everything (i have done similar also ).. and i do believe with the ground and experience you have you wouldn't find any difficulties dealing with almost all car here. So what do you think? do you find this market to be interesting,promising and ready to invest your money here? i'll be glad if you wouldn't mind to take me as part of your team when that's happened  .. let me be your business operator here @locksafe.