Miracle A9

[cardi locks]

Hi all,we are thinking of investing in a cut to code machine.It looks very good.Anybody got one? Plus other suggestions please.

regards steve

[scott mac]

what are you looking to do with it mobile or shop ??

[grahamparker]

Viper for mobile. Triax and Unocode if shop based.

 

All awesome machines (expensive) but they are built to last.

[cardi locks]

90% shop based,The other machines although good just too expensive at moment

[Technical Tony original]

Hi - the best Machines on the market are the A5 (Car Mobile) and the A9 - Car or shop Based .

 

the price of the A9 is 1/3 aprox of the price of the Unocode and Viper - and does 99% the same job ..

1/4 of the Unocode and the Triax put together -

Price compared to jobs you can not go wrong, Plus the A5's for example we have sold say 100 to 1 aprox - compared to Vipers !

 

They are really the best for money and what they do - on the market, really nothing else comes close .

 

I have sent you 2 emails on these machines - Please fee free to ask anything else

 

PS - the back up and after sales service, now it is from SKS and / or Lockdecoders when needed just can not be beaten

 

I hope the emails are of help .

[Technical Tony original]

PS - The A9 - jaws as follows

 

Tubular Jaw - Circle keys to code and Copy

 

House Jaw - Standard Cylinder house / padlock etc Keys to code and Copy

 

Car Jaw - Standard Cylinder car keys / Simplex keys - and Laser keys to code and Copy

 

Dimple Jaw - For Example Mul-t-lock Garrison / Kaba / etc Dimple keys to code and Copy

 

 

No other machine on the market at all , I believe can do as many different things as the A9 can do , and the Jaw takes 5 - 10 seconds to swap over from one to another !

[decker]

Miracle is probably best described as a " jack of all trades, but master of none." saying that, value for money it is right up there.

[grahamparker]

Hi - the best Machines on the market are the A5 (Car Mobile) and the A9 - Car or shop Based .

 

the price of the A9 is 1/3 aprox of the price of the Unocode and Viper - and does 99% the same job ..

1/4 of the Unocode and the Triax put together -

Price compared to jobs you can not go wrong, Plus the A5's for example we have sold say 100 to 1 aprox - compared to Vipers !

 

They are really the best for money and what they do - on the market, really nothing else comes close .

 

I have sent you 2 emails on these machines - Please fee free to ask anything else

 

PS - the back up and after sales service, now it is from SKS and / or Lockdecoders when needed just can not be beaten

 

I hope the emails are of help .

 

If on a tight budget you are right, but if money wasn't an issue then it has to be Silca all the way.

 

Silca ARE the best machines out there.

[Craig Gardner]

Hi - the best Machines on the market are the A5 (Car Mobile) and the A9 - Car or shop Based .

 

the price of the A9 is 1/3 aprox of the price of the Unocode and Viper - and does 99% the same job ..

1/4 of the Unocode and the Triax put together -

Price compared to jobs you can not go wrong, Plus the A5's for example we have sold say 100 to 1 aprox - compared to Vipers !

 

They are really the best for money and what they do - on the market, really nothing else comes close .

 

I have sent you 2 emails on these machines - Please fee free to ask anything else

 

PS - the back up and after sales service, now it is from SKS and / or Lockdecoders when needed just can not be beaten

 

I hope the emails are of help .

 

If on a tight budget you are right, but if money wasn't an issue then it has to be Silca all the way.

 

Silca ARE the best machines out there.

 

triax quatro and 399 evo are bar far the best and what i use but they are expensive but worth every penny

craig

[keymaker]

If you have a Bio Mass boiler system at home, and burn tenners to keep you warm then buy Silca. If you have a good business head then Miracle all the way. Think of the stock you could buy with the difference. A sound investment.

[grahamparker]

So by that reckoning a Lada is as good as a Ferrari as they both do the same job but one is cheaper.

[decker]

If you have a Bio Mass boiler system at home, and burn tenners to keep you warm then buy Silca. If you have a good business head then Miracle all the way. Think of the stock you could buy with the difference. A sound investment.

Hmm, not quite sure how you equate that people that dont use the miracle are lacking in the business head department. I know of people who sell miracle, but they do not have it on their vans.

[Technical Tony original]

So by that reckoning a Lada is as good as a Ferrari as they both do the same job but one is cheaper.

 

Not sure what a Lada is

But A Skoda is as good as a VW

 

I do agree the Silca machines are nice . But why waste all that money !

For Example - Vipers were our Seller and we used to sell 10 a year - but the A5 came out and we now sell 100 Aprox a year . .

 

With what the A9 Does " FOR THE MONEY " you really can not compete with it on any other make like for like ,

 

Agree if you have £20k to spend please Buy Silca (More like £25K I believe if 399 and Triax Quatro as used as a X ref )

 

if Not and you want your money to last and something great for your money please Buy the A9 (you could save yourself around 15K - 20K for stock for the shop )

[mrc]

do agree the Silca machines are nice . But why waste all that money !

 

having bought 'Silca' for over 20 years, I agree, they are 'overpriced' and the service has become totaly shocking!

I will now 'steer clear' and try others

[Craig Gardner]

So by that reckoning a Lada is as good as a Ferrari as they both do the same job but one is cheaper.

 

Not sure what a Lada is

But A Skoda is as good as a VW

 

I do agree the Silca machines are nice . But why waste all that money !

For Example - Vipers were our Seller and we used to sell 10 a year - but the A5 came out and we now sell 100 Aprox a year . .

 

With what the A9 Does " FOR THE MONEY " you really can not compete with it on any other make like for like ,

 

Agree if you have £20k to spend please Buy Silca (More like £25K I believe if 399 and Triax Quatro as used as a X ref )

 

if Not and you want your money to last and something great for your money please Buy the A9 (you could save yourself around 15K - 20K for stock for the shop )

 

John over 30k is more like it as i use the electric revolving jaws and plenty of other jaws and dont regret evr spending that money on them and they still work like the day i bought them

craig

[Technical Tony original]

I really do still agree, £30k if you company can afford it they are good machines - I believe the KL machines are around these prices as well and all very good . Just sadly expensive .

but with something that does what it says on the tin for far cheaper is still a good little machine around £5k and great for any business .

I am a believer of Buy what you can afford - best advise I think on this topic

[derek]

although i use none of the machines mentioned, i do believe the valid point being made is, buy what your budget can afford, from a neutrals point of view it's not like the Miracle machines and jaws are going to break down in a short space of time is it? i bought my u-marq engraving machine based on price and function and believe i got better value for my £££££'s compared to other makes. i would say if the miracle machine does what you want it to do and is in the price range then go for it

[holly12345]

Bloody hell 20-30k on a machine! you could do a credited plumbing or electrician course for around £3000 and make has much money especially plumbers who seem to be busy nearly everday and winter some can work 7 days a week and make good money. and still have 20 k to play with.

[grahamparker]

Think i have the benefit of buying my machines a good few years ago and with an exceptional discount from

Aldridges they cost me just over £15,000 + vat.

 

The unocode has cut over 65000 keys (had that 10 years now) and is still as accurate as the day it came out of the box, the only parts it has ever needed have been cutters and adapters and and a cooling fan.

 

The triax has only cut about 3200 keys so far but is exactly the same as the unocode.

 

Why would i want to do a plumbing course i earn more being a Professional keycutter and locksmith.

[chrisorros]

Work for a small firm which has silca machines at the larger branches & a A9 at the small shop. So i have used both set of machines. I have used the silca machines for years & years. They are very good machines but not as bullet proof as peoples make them sound.

 

I work mainly in the small shop myself these days and the old silca machine had seen nicer days to say the least. I wasn't to happy to be told i was going to get a A9 by the boss. So i went to the MLA meeting where peter & niel where showing the machine of and to be ownest i was very surprised. Built very well. Nice & solid as well a good little runner. Very easy to change the jaws. I will say that the cynlinder jaw is a bit of pain at first with small keys but I said to peter "If i was silca i would be very worried about that machine" & i stand by that. I've had the A9 since Jan & if i've had a proplem I just call them up & they have always been very helpfull. I should mention that the problems we have had with the machine where down to the person at the shop not doing things right not the machine to be fair.

 

I would advise anyone to go & have a look at the machines you are considering at a show so you can get a feel for the machine before you invest of paper.

[keymaker]

So by that reckoning a Lada is as good as a Ferrari as they both do the same job but one is cheaper.

Explain why we don't all drive Ferrari's???????

[keymaker]

So by that reckoning a Lada is as good as a Ferrari as they both do the same job but one is cheaper.

 

Not sure what a Lada is

But A Skoda is as good as a VW

 

I do agree the Silca machines are nice . But why waste all that money !

For Example - Vipers were our Seller and we used to sell 10 a year - but the A5 came out and we now sell 100 Aprox a year . .

 

With what the A9 Does " FOR THE MONEY " you really can not compete with it on any other make like for like ,

 

Agree if you have £20k to spend please Buy Silca (More like £25K I believe if 399 and Triax Quatro as used as a X ref )

 

if Not and you want your money to last and something great for your money please Buy the A9 (you could save yourself around 15K - 20K for stock for the shop )

 

John over 30k is more like it as i use the electric revolving jaws and plenty of other jaws and dont regret evr spending that money on them and they still work like the day i bought them

craig

 

A wise old saying "A fool and his money are easily parted" appropriate.

[Growster]

There was an issue with the A9 not being being compatible with Instacode.

 

Has that been addressed?

[lockdecoders]

it is being addressed as we speak. We are inputting all the instacode card numbers to the software.

[Growster]

There is another saying in the trade:

 

"Only a fool will not think very deeply about what grahamparker recommends."

 

Given Graham's volume breakdown of 65K sidecut to 3200 dimples, I'd hasard the following guess:

 

The A9 might not be strong enough for both types of keys. But for dimples only, say 300-500 keys a year it is probably just great.

 

Also, the A9 copies dimples AND cuts them to code.

 

But Peter's post just now may indicate, that a full Instacode integration is not in the cards.