TheCustomer Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 A while back I had some shoes I bought in holland which needed a new all in one sole on them. Took them in to see the man from the big chain and he said they Had to be sent away because, they were side stitched. Took them into a smaller shop and he said the same. Then I found a company on the internet who specialises in resoling many shoes and they said they kind of have a machine to do it but not around the toe where I need it most?!? I am thinking omg, these shoes are a real pain in the back side. Hence I have not bought any since. Can I het them hand stiched by a quality repairer of should I just avoid side stitched shoes like the plague? Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x minit uk Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 A while back I had some shoes I bought in holland which needed a new all in one sole on them. Took them in to see the man from the big chain and he said they Had to be sent away because, they were side stitched.Took them into a smaller shop and he said the same. Then I found a company on the internet who specialises in resoling many shoes and they said they kind of have a machine to do it but not around the toe where I need it most?!? I am thinking omg, these shoes are a real pain in the back side. Hence I have not bought any since. Can I het them hand stiched by a quality repairer of should I just avoid side stitched shoes like the plague? Harry. Put them in the fish tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 i have tried to avoid posting on these topics from the customer simply becouse as planet says they are now getting rather daft ,in answer to your question mr customer yuor side stitched shoe can be repaired by any competent shoe repairer full stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 ps if you want to protect your boots from getting scracthed while you are in the woods why not get someone to make you some removable rubber toe caps problem solved or better still wear some wellies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCustomer Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 i have tried to avoid posting on these topics from the customer simply becouse as planet says they are now getting rather daft ,in answer to your question mr customer yuor side stitched shoe can be repaired by any competent shoe repairer full stop Elfman, With respect I am asking a question not as a repairer but as a customer therefore I should be given a pat on the back for even knowing what side stitched shoes are. In that context all my questions are reasonable. Before I even started posting on this forum I declared my status as a customer and even asked permission to post, which is probably a lot more effort and courtesy than most. I was told by the highest source that, everyones welcome here. So if you feel that non-cobblers should not be asking questions on this forum then you had better take that up with the powers that be.. Please check my complete posting record: you will see I am far more polite and reasonable than a number of the long standing members on this site, spotless. On the issue of side stitching and soles, no, over the years I have never found a repairer who can do them in the shop for me, including that big chain.. Although it's the experience of just one customer, I have indeed been to many repairers and different chains in the south east over the years and this is what I have found as a customer. Maybe I have been unlucky. Maybe I need to be introduced to a few "competent" shoe repairers then, as it will save me agrovation in the future. Thanks for your imput so far. Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCustomer Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 ps if you want to protect your boots from getting scracthed while you are in the woods why not get someone to make you some removable rubber toe caps problem solved or better still wear some wellies Actually thanks, although the topic in the other thread was very useful and interesting about dubbin and oils etc and very valid for all my other shoes, I was kind of thinking along your line of protection in the first place. I did see some rubber overshoe things once but I cant remember where to get them. Wellies are not much good in the woods because you get an 'all over the shop' effect when you go up, down in and out of ditches etc. I need a boot tied on tight so it feels part of my leg. Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dutch cobbler Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 A while back I had some shoes I bought in holland Harry. Hi Harry TheCustomer! Thanks for buying Dutch shoes!! =D> Which brand are the shoes? Maybe the problem of side-stitching is the type off shoe you bought! For example Van Bommel makes a special shoe what causes problems with side-stitching for most off the shoemakers! Can you place a picture off the shoe? Or tell us what brand and type the shoes are? John (The Dutch Cobbler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCustomer Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 A while back I had some shoes I bought in holland Harry. Hi Harry TheCustomer! Thanks for buying Dutch shoes!! =D> Which brand are the shoes? Maybe the problem of side-stitching is the type off shoe you bought! For example Van Bommel makes a special shoe what causes problems with side-stitching for most off the shoemakers! Can you place a picture off the shoe? Or tell us what brand and type the shoes are? John (The Dutch Cobbler) I have tried to find the model of shoe online but are have trouble probably because I am searching in english. I found something almost the same on this website http://www.gentlemansgadgets.com/index. ... yle-shoes/ Mine were darker and did not have the unusual pattern on the toecap. I got them somewhere near the Signal (is that how you spell it) in Amsterdam. Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dutch cobbler Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hi Harry, Is it the same way off stitching the sole? That causes problems when you wanna get it original! John The Dutch Cobbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest darrenbooth Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 back to your origanal question stitching around the side shouldn,t be a problem for any shoe repairer.simply use a hand awl and sit down and do it one stitch at a time.the problem lies in the soles most of these types of soles are only available from the people who make the shoes,and must be the right size for replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCustomer Posted December 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 John: sorry I don't understand yoru question. Darren: So the solution is to find someone who is willing to hand stitch a sole on? The original woudl be nice of cause but an equal or better wearing sole is just as good. Forgive my understanding , I am just learning at the moment. Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dutch cobbler Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 John: sorry I don't understand yoru question. Harry. Is your shoe the same as in the picture? Especially the type of leather sole! the problem lies in the soles most of these types of soles are only available from the people who make the shoes,and must be the right size for replacement. That's what the problem is! I'm member of the Schoenmakers Gilde (Shoemakers guild) where Van Bommel, Van Lier en AvanG are connected to! Most of the original materials I can get, but some materials are a problem! And these soles are one of them! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCustomer Posted December 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 No they were different , darker and no pattern on the toecap A similar style though. The soles look similar although the picture is not clear enough. Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCustomer Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 That's what the problem is! I'm member of the Schoenmakers Gilde (Shoemakers guild) where Van Bommel, Van Lier en AvanG are connected to! Most of the original materials I can get, but some materials are a problem! And these soles are one of them! John John, Interesting. So what do you do in this kind of situation? Can you use another quality unit and then Glue it's instead of using the stitch? then possibly rim the shoe with a thin piece of lether to keep the appearence of the shoe intacked. Or would you lose all the strength at the toe? Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh-Candoit (ENG) Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 One solution to this problem is to use "Bandagen" units if they are still available. Has anyone used them? are they still available? Update. Just made an enquiry and they have not been available for a number of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfman Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 harry 9 times out of 10 the side stitching is for decotive effect only and as and a few others have told you before any competent shoe repairer should be able to do this by hand one of the main reasons the dont is it is time consuming and if you were to quote a customer the price of £20 or £30 pound just to do this side stitching by hand the would bawk at the cost whilst ther are some guys on the site who could ask and get that price in the areas they are trading in most could not, also if i am not mistaken and i think kieth from standerds could confirm it standerds do have a blake machine which is capable of performing this task i am sure i have seen it in there factory when i went there to purchase some machines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petercoulson Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I can confirm that one model of the geneva came with a straight horn as did a version of the dn76 but these never sold well and are a bas***d to use. with larger sized sidewall shoes you can sidewall stitch them with the geneva or dn86 which have longer horns than dn76 0r 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithm Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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